Hello,
we have submitted our building application for our single-family house with a (separate) double garage (5.85m x 8.94m (19.2 ft x 29.3 ft)).
The double garage is made with steel panel construction, so it is a prefabricated steel garage.
State: Brandenburg.
The garage is planned to be built with one side (8.94m (29.3 ft)) directly on the property boundary.
The problem now is that, according to the Brandenburg garage regulations, this wall (boundary wall) must be a fire wall!!
This is not the case with our prefabricated steel garage.
At least, this is what our building regulations officer is currently pointing out...
The garage company has already installed several of these garages, also nearby, and they are hearing about this issue for the first time.
Other customers never included their garage in their building application process, so they never had problems here.
Now my question is, can this be true?
What should I do?
Upgrade the one wall into a fire wall – which apparently requires a 24cm (9.4 in) thick wall?
Remove the garage from the building application and then simply install it afterwards?
As far as I know, the garage is basically permit-exempt.
Has anyone experienced similar problems before?
Regards
we have submitted our building application for our single-family house with a (separate) double garage (5.85m x 8.94m (19.2 ft x 29.3 ft)).
The double garage is made with steel panel construction, so it is a prefabricated steel garage.
State: Brandenburg.
The garage is planned to be built with one side (8.94m (29.3 ft)) directly on the property boundary.
The problem now is that, according to the Brandenburg garage regulations, this wall (boundary wall) must be a fire wall!!
This is not the case with our prefabricated steel garage.
At least, this is what our building regulations officer is currently pointing out...
The garage company has already installed several of these garages, also nearby, and they are hearing about this issue for the first time.
Other customers never included their garage in their building application process, so they never had problems here.
Now my question is, can this be true?
What should I do?
Upgrade the one wall into a fire wall – which apparently requires a 24cm (9.4 in) thick wall?
Remove the garage from the building application and then simply install it afterwards?
As far as I know, the garage is basically permit-exempt.
Has anyone experienced similar problems before?
Regards
What just came to my mind is that the reviewer wrote: the garage is not allowed on the property boundary.
He meant that if it stands within the property, there would be no problem. But since it is on the boundary, it requires a fire-rated wall... at least on the one side that is on the boundary.
However, in the paragraph above, it refers to an end wall and not necessarily a boundary wall or something similar.
He meant that if it stands within the property, there would be no problem. But since it is on the boundary, it requires a fire-rated wall... at least on the one side that is on the boundary.
However, in the paragraph above, it refers to an end wall and not necessarily a boundary wall or something similar.
Kuddel84 schrieb:
What occurred to me now is that the planner writes:
the garage is not permitted on the property boundary.
He meant that if it is located within the property, there would be no problem. But since it is on the boundary, it requires a fire wall... at least on the one side that is on the boundary.For a garage set back more than 2.50m (8 feet) from the boundary, §26 of the Brandenburg Building Code (BbgBO) does not apply, and you would not need a fire wall.
Kuddel84 schrieb:
But the paragraph above talks about a “closing wall” and not necessarily a boundary wall or similar.§10(1) No. 2 of the Garage Regulation overrides §26(2) Nos. 1 to 3 of the BbgBO, cancelling all provisions for boundary walls and external fire walls and only referring to “closing walls.” In my opinion, every boundary wall is a closing wall, but not every closing wall is a boundary wall.
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toxicmolotof12 Jun 2015 17:09Once again: What is the argument against a precast concrete garage? Problem solved.
Arguments against:
- I have already ordered the garage
- I have visited garages at other builders’ sites and am convinced by the steel prefabricated garage
- A precast concrete garage is more expensive
- I don’t want to have a joint “garage project” with the neighbor because I don’t really know them yet
- I (still) don’t see the point in changing half of my building project just because an official interprets the laws as they please...
- I have already ordered the garage
- I have visited garages at other builders’ sites and am convinced by the steel prefabricated garage
- A precast concrete garage is more expensive
- I don’t want to have a joint “garage project” with the neighbor because I don’t really know them yet
- I (still) don’t see the point in changing half of my building project just because an official interprets the laws as they please...
toxicmolotow schrieb:
Again: What is wrong with a precast concrete garage? Problem solved.Why should the problem be considered solved? A concrete garage also does not meet the requirements of a fire protection wall.
The issue for the "processor" is not the type of garage, but the garage size.
According to a retired lawyer friend, the following applies:
It seems that the total floor area of both the garage AND the storage room is meant here.
Therefore, § 10 (1) No. 2 BbgGStV would not apply in our case, which means a fire wall is required!! :-(
Would a garage of the same size made of reinforced concrete meet the requirements?
I don't understand!
Everyone has their garage on the property boundary, and I don’t see any extra large or thick fire walls anywhere...
- For enclosed small garages including storage rooms with a total floor area of no more than 20 m² (215 sq ft), at least fire-retardant or non-combustible partition walls without openings are required.
It seems that the total floor area of both the garage AND the storage room is meant here.
Therefore, § 10 (1) No. 2 BbgGStV would not apply in our case, which means a fire wall is required!! :-(
Would a garage of the same size made of reinforced concrete meet the requirements?
I don't understand!
Everyone has their garage on the property boundary, and I don’t see any extra large or thick fire walls anywhere...