ᐅ Experiences with Rimless Toilets

Skaddler schrieb:
f-pNo: Interesting, what is roughly the price difference compared to Villeroy & Boch toilets without a rim? Are the prices shown online realistic? I would be interested in those; my Japanese mother-in-law would surely be happy. But it also looks good otherwise (if it’s not going to be the Ferguson). Ba-wuuusch.

Hello @Skaddler,
yes, the Ferguson would definitely be a dream. That’s a man’s toilet. Ah – how I miss this episode of my ultimate favorite TV series.

Unfortunately, we couldn’t get the Toto prices shown online. They are quite high. Our plumbing company only wanted to install the Toto if it came from the bathroom retailer (because of the warranty). The bathroom retailer charged an astonishing 842 euros + VAT. With two toilets, that’s quite a bite to swallow. I specifically asked the plumber again if we could buy the Toto online. No way – no warranty. But as mentioned before: If my wife and daughter won’t be convinced otherwise, Dad will have to bite the very sour apple.

We couldn’t install it ourselves – and none of our acquaintances had a plumber available (at least not within a radius of 600 km (375 miles)).

In general, one can say that the online prices for sanitary ware don’t really apply. If you want to use them, you need someone to do the installation.

I saw at Reuther Bath Shop that they also refer people who install the sanitary fixtures.

Buddy2014

I ordered our Villeroy & Boch products from Emereo (95% of our bathroom items come from there). So far, very satisfied.

We have also been using the Keramag Icon twice a year for one year. Would buy it again. Very easy to maintain!

We are currently trying to decide which rimless toilet model to choose.

At first, I considered Villeroy & Boch because of its water-saving features (in Swabia, water consumption is closely monitored). However, at a specialty store, I was told privately not to go for it, as it requires a specific carrier frame from a particular supplier, which is expensive. Also, despite the water-saving design, it might cause long-term pipe blockages.

So, I kept looking.
Favorites so far (in terms of design):
Keramag 4you & Icon
Duravit Darling

Questions I still need to clarify:
- Our 7-year-old insists on a toilet seat with a 3D shark on it. These seats are usually a "standard" shape. Since the shape of rimless toilets varies by model, I'm not sure if the desired seat will fit all rimless types.

- What is truly better: fully rimless toilets, or rimless toilets with a skirt (sometimes called a hidden trapway)?

- Rimless doesn't always mean the same thing; an open rim is not necessarily the same as rimless. Each brand has its own technology visible in videos and photos, which works differently. But which one is really best?

- Water consumption ratings are inconsistent or vary for the same model. Sometimes I see figures of 3 and 4.5 liters (liters), 4.5 and 6 liters (liters), or just a single number.

Then I came across a test carried out by TÜV on behalf of Villeroy & Boch. Competitors claim the test was tailored to highlight the features of Villeroy & Boch toilets. So, what can you really believe?

I never thought choosing a toilet could be this complicated.

cartime schrieb:
- What is really better, completely rimless, or rimless but with a skirt?

- Rimless is not the same as rimless, or open rim is not the same as rimless.
If you watch videos and look at photos, each brand has its own technology that works differently. But which one is really optimal?

- Water consumption or required water usage is also inconsistently stated, or I find different values for the same model.
3 and 4.5L (0.8 and 1.2 gallons), 4.5 and 6L (1.2 and 1.6 gallons), or just one figure.

Then I came across the test that TÜV conducted on behalf of V+B.
Competitors say the test was tailored to the specifics of V+B toilets.
What can you still believe?

I never thought choosing a toilet could be this difficult.

But you should also know when to stop worrying about trivial details. After all, it’s about the toilet, not an oven. The important factors remain seat comfort and height to make it work. Everything else is marketing or just nice to have. I still remember how 15 years ago, during our bathroom renovation, they tried to sell us a toilet with a lotus effect (inside) for five times the price of a standard toilet. As if that would mean no cleaning required… are these bowls still being sold?

asks Yvonne