Hello,
I have been reading along for some time now and finally dare to share a floor plan here.
First, here is the list of questions:
Zoning Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 576 sqm (6,200 sq ft)
Slope: Yes, slight. According to the site plan, the top "right" corner is at 295.4 meters (970 feet), lower at 293.88 meters (964 feet), left side goes from 295.17 meters (968 feet) to 293.43 meters (963 feet)
Floor area ratio: 0.3
Building envelope, building line and boundary: Applies to house number 16
Surrounding buildings
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of stories: 2 full floors required, plus optional recessed floor (setback floor)
Roof type: Flat roof, max. 5° pitch
Maximum height/limits: Max. 10 m (33 ft) high
Additional requirements: Equipment (heat pump) must be integrated, not external. Maximum of 2 residential units. Specific exterior colors required, rainwater should infiltrate (soil report says this is unlikely). Roofs must be greened. No oil or gas heating allowed.
Client requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Actually, none specified.
Basement, floors: No basement, 2 floors.
Number of occupants, ages: 4 people — 2 adults, 2 children
Ground floor space needs: Daily life (living, kitchen, dining, technical room, guest room)
Upper floor: Family (2 children's rooms, master bedroom, separate bathrooms), home office
Office: Home office, second workspace for occasional use such as a work window sill for example in the bedroom
Guests per year: Currently few.
Open or closed architecture, conservative or modern style: Either is fine.
Open kitchen, kitchen island: We are still considering. Initial wish was separate pantry like in the floor plan. An island would be nice if space allows.
Number of dining seats: Normally 4, rarely up to 8.
Fireplace: None.
Music/stereo wall: Multi-room audio with central unit in technical room.
Balcony, roof terrace: Neither.
Garage, carport: 1 garage
Other wishes: Central vacuum system, laundry chute, smart home (KNX) (I am mostly doing this myself, yes, I am a certified electrician, can program, but will also get additional help)
House design
Who designed the plan:
- Planner from a construction company: Correct, with some input from us. Based on an existing plan.
Price estimate by architect/planner: approx. 485,000 € (euros) for the house, approx. 210,000 € for the plot including basic services (survey, soil report, etc.)
Personal price limit for the house including features: approx. 800,000–850,000 € (including land)
Preferred heating technology: Heat pump
If you had to give up, which details/extra features could you skip:
- Could skip:
- Cannot skip:
Why is the design like it is now? For example:
Standard design by the planner? Yes, with minor wishes from us (wall between study and child’s room 2, T-walls in bathrooms, porch roof, conservatory, pantry)
What do you find especially good or bad about it? So far it seems to fit; apart from possibly the pantry/dining room, we don’t see major issues yet. But that’s why I’m here now.
Edit: The furniture shown in the floor plans can be safely ignored. Planners seem to like adding these.
Best regards
Ganneff
I have been reading along for some time now and finally dare to share a floor plan here.
First, here is the list of questions:
Zoning Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 576 sqm (6,200 sq ft)
Slope: Yes, slight. According to the site plan, the top "right" corner is at 295.4 meters (970 feet), lower at 293.88 meters (964 feet), left side goes from 295.17 meters (968 feet) to 293.43 meters (963 feet)
Floor area ratio: 0.3
Building envelope, building line and boundary: Applies to house number 16
Surrounding buildings
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of stories: 2 full floors required, plus optional recessed floor (setback floor)
Roof type: Flat roof, max. 5° pitch
Maximum height/limits: Max. 10 m (33 ft) high
Additional requirements: Equipment (heat pump) must be integrated, not external. Maximum of 2 residential units. Specific exterior colors required, rainwater should infiltrate (soil report says this is unlikely). Roofs must be greened. No oil or gas heating allowed.
Client requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Actually, none specified.
Basement, floors: No basement, 2 floors.
Number of occupants, ages: 4 people — 2 adults, 2 children
Ground floor space needs: Daily life (living, kitchen, dining, technical room, guest room)
Upper floor: Family (2 children's rooms, master bedroom, separate bathrooms), home office
Office: Home office, second workspace for occasional use such as a work window sill for example in the bedroom
Guests per year: Currently few.
Open or closed architecture, conservative or modern style: Either is fine.
Open kitchen, kitchen island: We are still considering. Initial wish was separate pantry like in the floor plan. An island would be nice if space allows.
Number of dining seats: Normally 4, rarely up to 8.
Fireplace: None.
Music/stereo wall: Multi-room audio with central unit in technical room.
Balcony, roof terrace: Neither.
Garage, carport: 1 garage
Other wishes: Central vacuum system, laundry chute, smart home (KNX) (I am mostly doing this myself, yes, I am a certified electrician, can program, but will also get additional help)
House design
Who designed the plan:
- Planner from a construction company: Correct, with some input from us. Based on an existing plan.
Price estimate by architect/planner: approx. 485,000 € (euros) for the house, approx. 210,000 € for the plot including basic services (survey, soil report, etc.)
Personal price limit for the house including features: approx. 800,000–850,000 € (including land)
Preferred heating technology: Heat pump
If you had to give up, which details/extra features could you skip:
- Could skip:
- Cannot skip:
Why is the design like it is now? For example:
Standard design by the planner? Yes, with minor wishes from us (wall between study and child’s room 2, T-walls in bathrooms, porch roof, conservatory, pantry)
What do you find especially good or bad about it? So far it seems to fit; apart from possibly the pantry/dining room, we don’t see major issues yet. But that’s why I’m here now.
Edit: The furniture shown in the floor plans can be safely ignored. Planners seem to like adding these.
Best regards
Ganneff
Papierturm schrieb:
Most of the main stuff in the utility room needs walls. Meter, main connection box, photovoltaic system + battery, washing machine, and so on. I would first check if the wall space in the utility room meets my needs. If there is some space left, then a door can still be considered.
It’s definitely great. But I would first see if it fits spatially.Hey, the washing machine doesn’t necessarily need a wall. It can stand freely as long as there is water, electricity, and drainage available. (Yes, usually people don’t do that, but unlike the meter cabinet/distribution board, it doesn’t have to be fixed to a wall.)But yes, I understand. Wall space is premium, but it has already grown quite a bit compared to the initial plan, so there is definitely more. However - if no door is added, it’s not a big deal, just a possible nice feature and currently an open question.
wiltshire schrieb:
Photovoltaics on a flat roof are very easy. I would build an east-west system with a super simple Triton mounting system (or another chipless system). Since you come from the electrical field, you’ll find a suitable inverter that supports your preferred interfaces.That is still open. The current status is “it will come, prepare conduits.” Rough idea – but that will be discussed with a photovoltaic expert: maybe install panels facing east and west on the outer sides and something facing south in the middle. I have full freedom in all directions on the roof. Only on the garage, if I install anything there, east-west won’t work because of the neighboring house. We’ll see how the strings will be arranged and if it makes sense. But I’ll bring in someone who knows more about this once I have the basics settled. So, while the building permit/planning permission is with the authorities, these additional trades are being arranged.wiltshire schrieb:
Regarding Fingerhaus – I have no personal experience with the company’s quality. What I remember positively is a salesperson who switched from Fingerhaus to the software industry, where I also worked.As always with salespeople, it really depends on who you get and how you connect with them. Our local one is also great.11ant schrieb:
So you could have chosen a different builder? – then the tax trap might have been avoided. Who were these other companies, and where did they fail (or fail to convince)?Different area within the building development with another company, not on this plot. Down here it’s basically Fingerhaus, and up top “BonVie.” They build semi-detached houses with – as I understand it – a rather fixed layout, and neither appealed to us. Admittedly, we didn’t ask much about how much customization is possible – but one of their marketing points includes “fully financed” as a plus and shows possible changes. Sounds rather rigid to me – but I might be wrong, that’s just our impression.
11ant schrieb:
A green roof is good for the climate and also beneficial for local ecosystems. But its construction is complex, and the planting substrate adds weight.The weight should be mostly Fingerhaus’s responsibility – that’s factored in, so it should be fine.HuppelHuppel schrieb:
Edit: On lebeninfulda.de/Grundstücke there is a sold plot with 576 sqm (6,200 sq ft). Is that the one from the OP?Got me.HuppelHuppel schrieb:
The government is happy already; the plot has been purchased by the OP.Yeah, well. There isn’t that much choice here to optimize everything, so I just have to swallow the cost going to the government.We had contact before with another provider building here in Fulda in a prime location. If you want to look for it, “Wood You Fulda.” Leasehold rights, already fixed floor plans, I wanted to tweak small things and bumped into resistance. Pretty rigid, already predefined.
And that’s basically all that is currently available. Something around 2026 might come in the area, but then it would be 2028 before moving in. Yikes.
haydee schrieb:
@wiltshire and for us, Fingerhaus was out immediately because of the salesperson. I’ve never encountered someone that aggressive.See above, it probably heavily depends on who you “get.”haydee schrieb:
The OP is not building with Fingerhausypg schrieb:
It’s basically Fingerhaus, just described differently.Yes indeed, it’s Fingerhaus.W
wiltshire25 Jun 2025 08:00Ganneff schrieb:
This is still open. The status is "it will come, prepare the conduits." A rough idea – but this will be discussed with a photovoltaic expert, considering whether to place panels outside facing east and west on the sides, and something towards the south in the middle. Good that you are planning with empty conduits. You can still decide the orientation later. Also, plan the location for the electronics and leave enough space for it – there are clearance requirements here as well.
Ganneff schrieb:
The weight shouldn’t really matter to me, anyway. I agree. Although it is included in the house costs, I wouldn’t calculate an extra charge for it.
Ganneff schrieb:
A rough idea – but I’ll discuss this with a photovoltaic expert, [...] I’ll get someone with more expertise once I have the basics down. So, while the building permit / planning permission is being processed, these additional trades will be addressed. Better not. You’re building a prefab house with a flat roof. There’s no happy rough masonry first and then hacking it apart again where pipes need to go, and you can’t just swap out an antenna tile on a whim. The general rule here is like the “stone mantra”: instead of going for the absolute best theoretical option, choose what your usual installer has the most experience with. Don’t be the extra cook who spoils the broth. Clarify this early on, limited to the manageable options offered by your general contractor (GC), and let them coordinate it.
Ganneff schrieb:
At the bottom there is basically Fingerhaus, at the top “BonVie.” They build semi-detached houses with a – as far as I understand – relatively fixed floor plan, and neither appealed to us. Well, we didn’t ask much about whether/how many changes could be made. Detached houses and semi-detached houses usually don’t attract the same kind of builders. The possibilities for customization have been discussed in several threads here; if you follow my posts under the keyword “usual suspects,” you’ll get the gist: basically, you can only really expect to get electric roller shutter drives. That has to be the case: semi-detached houses in such projects are erected in assembly-line fashion – it just doesn’t work if buyers hesitate back and forth among eighty-three options. Even just clearing up one email ping-pong so that the kitchen team doesn’t get confused is a step that can’t be allowed. It’s 08/15A to 08/15H – nothing more, or else neither price nor schedule can be met. Serial “cookie-cutter” building doesn’t work differently. That’s why these kinds of projects aren’t suitable for individual home builders and require at least a willingness to compromise between neighbors.
haydee schrieb:
Okay, then it’s Fingerhaus. I thought it was a different company. There are many firms around here. In most regions, only one of the many carpentry businesses has evolved into a prefab house builder.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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HuppelHuppel25 Jun 2025 10:36haydee schrieb:
@11ant There are also several prefab house manufacturers like Rensch-Haus, Hanse Haus, Bien-Zenker offering open processes down to the carpentry stage, building about 2 houses per year.However, they are not all located in the same area.
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