chand1986 schrieb:
Did you wear everything only once before washing it?
Sounds like you’re starting to do what others have always done.
I hope you realize how cringe-worthy that sentence is.
But good that it’s working now.
I also wear clothes once and then wash them…
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MachsSelbst10 Jun 2025 19:04nordanney schrieb:
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And it’s unnecessary or polluting the environment to keep washing clean clothes all the time.Why not move into a 50m² (540 sq ft) apartment in a multi-family building? That’s enough; anything more is environmental pollution. Also, give up your car—bus, train, and bicycle are sufficient.
Once you’ve done all that, then Schubert really has to consider wearing his blazers for 2 or 3 days. Not before...
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wiltshire10 Jun 2025 19:48I’m logically getting lost here.. If @nordanney meets the conditions set by @MachsSelbst, should @schubert79 clean suits less often?!?
By the way, it doesn’t help to publicly criticize each other when everyone is acting within the rules established by society.
By the way, it doesn’t help to publicly criticize each other when everyone is acting within the rules established by society.
By the way, here’s another trick from the sophistry toolbox: the poisoned well...
An argument does not become invalid or weaker simply because the person presenting it makes mistakes. Even if you accept that, you could argue the exact opposite. If you indulge in the luxury of owning a house, you should especially try to keep your everyday footprint as small as possible.
It’s not about balancing things out, but rather about keeping it in mind and making an effort.
However, I believe that most people here were not primarily concerned with that, and certainly not with publicly shaming or belittling anyone, but simply with acknowledging a certain attitude—that it is remarkable in itself.
For my part, even if there was a magical wardrobe that would give me freshly washed pants or a sweater without any effort, energy, or water, I would still often leave those clothes on a chair and wear them again two or three days later. Because, for me, there is no “benefit” in having the clothes freshly washed rather than just worn once, when they are still clean and aired out.
But to each their own—I tolerate that some people prefer and do things differently, even those I live with. Still, I can’t help but be surprised.
An argument does not become invalid or weaker simply because the person presenting it makes mistakes. Even if you accept that, you could argue the exact opposite. If you indulge in the luxury of owning a house, you should especially try to keep your everyday footprint as small as possible.
It’s not about balancing things out, but rather about keeping it in mind and making an effort.
However, I believe that most people here were not primarily concerned with that, and certainly not with publicly shaming or belittling anyone, but simply with acknowledging a certain attitude—that it is remarkable in itself.
For my part, even if there was a magical wardrobe that would give me freshly washed pants or a sweater without any effort, energy, or water, I would still often leave those clothes on a chair and wear them again two or three days later. Because, for me, there is no “benefit” in having the clothes freshly washed rather than just worn once, when they are still clean and aired out.
But to each their own—I tolerate that some people prefer and do things differently, even those I live with. Still, I can’t help but be surprised.
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nordanney10 Jun 2025 21:51MachsSelbst schrieb:
Please just move into a 50m² (540 sq ft) apartment in a multi-family building; that’s enough. Everything else is environmental pollution. Please give up your car too—bus, train, and bicycle are sufficient... For example, I drive a BEV and charge almost exclusively with my own electricity. I also use a bicycle. I would like to use bus and train, but they are not available where I live. So at least I drive with zero CO2 emissions using green electricity.
Besides, I haven’t built new but renovated an existing building almost to KfW 40 standard (50m² (540 sq ft) for four or five people is really tight, by the way).
I feel really good about my ecological footprint. Do you? And will @schubert79 now wear his clothes longer, since I have done almost everything necessary?
I love the posts from @MachsSelbst. They almost come close to those from buchsbaum & Synonymen. LOL.
A piece of advice for @therealhotboy
When you eventually treat yourself to a nice dream home, whether it’s already built or you’re having it constructed, take advantage of one benefit (among many) of having a walk-in closet: you can air out worn clothes by hanging them on a chair or rail in a corner without it bothering you. A ventilation system helps with this as well. Of course, this doesn’t apply to 50 square meters (540 square feet) of space, where it’s more practical to simply put the fabric directly into the washing machine.
From the entertaining discussion on the last pages, it seems that people often include expensive features per square meter in their homes without fully appreciating their benefits.
A modern refrigerator, whether in a house or apartment, has kept food fresh for several days for decades, making expiration dates more of a minimum guideline than a strict limit. It can also help to educate yourself about food and how to combine it properly. This explains why sour cream and yogurt can be safely consumed up to three weeks past their expiration date.
Personal freedom—which of course nowadays should not be limited to any gender, as no gender inherently has personal privileges—should relate to personal growth and offer opportunities for self-expression.
If your girlfriend’s focus is more on outward appearances and adornments, then that’s her preference.
I consider it a mistake when anyone (not just women) denies themselves any enjoyment altogether. The emphasis in the last sentence, however, is on self-determination: one should master oneself, not be controlled by others.
Living together may work in an unbalanced way like in your case, but usually, this is not sustainable in the long term.
When you eventually treat yourself to a nice dream home, whether it’s already built or you’re having it constructed, take advantage of one benefit (among many) of having a walk-in closet: you can air out worn clothes by hanging them on a chair or rail in a corner without it bothering you. A ventilation system helps with this as well. Of course, this doesn’t apply to 50 square meters (540 square feet) of space, where it’s more practical to simply put the fabric directly into the washing machine.
From the entertaining discussion on the last pages, it seems that people often include expensive features per square meter in their homes without fully appreciating their benefits.
A modern refrigerator, whether in a house or apartment, has kept food fresh for several days for decades, making expiration dates more of a minimum guideline than a strict limit. It can also help to educate yourself about food and how to combine it properly. This explains why sour cream and yogurt can be safely consumed up to three weeks past their expiration date.
Personal freedom—which of course nowadays should not be limited to any gender, as no gender inherently has personal privileges—should relate to personal growth and offer opportunities for self-expression.
If your girlfriend’s focus is more on outward appearances and adornments, then that’s her preference.
I consider it a mistake when anyone (not just women) denies themselves any enjoyment altogether. The emphasis in the last sentence, however, is on self-determination: one should master oneself, not be controlled by others.
Living together may work in an unbalanced way like in your case, but usually, this is not sustainable in the long term.
MachsSelbst schrieb:
I once had a girlfriend who liked the fresh smell of laundry... who are you to judge that? Morality police? A block warden monitoring the neighborhood’s water usage?
You can also take a vacation at the Baltic Sea or at a local quarry lake.
Try to tolerate different lifestyles instead of insisting that only your own way is correct? Thank you. Who decides what is reasonable? It’s fine if some people consider traveling valuable, while others enjoy the scent of fresh laundry. But that’s hard for moral watchdogs to grasp, even though, in the end, supposedly nobody wants to be one...
Everyone should find happiness in their own way. I also wash my T-shirts every day. I’m no longer a child and do sweat under my arms. Not only underwear is worn directly on the skin. I don’t need to change jeans every day. The more environmentally friendly your mode of transportation (bus, train, walking the last mile) and the less you park right next to work in a parking garage, the more often you have to wash them. Especially in summer at 35°C (95°F), as you naturally also sweat on your legs. I don’t want to wear the same jeans for a week, let alone four weeks. And suits and shirts are known to wrinkle. Even if you wear a T-shirt underneath so the shirt still smells fresh, it’s difficult to impossible to have a wrinkle-free shirt on the second day. That’s not how I go to work. That’s my opinion. Everyone should do as they please.
Anyone claiming to drive an electric car powered mostly by their own photovoltaic electricity in northern Germany should better not claim that the electric car is more ecological than a combustion engine. To offset the larger environmental footprint of production (battery production is very energy-intensive), an electric car has to be driven quite a while. But to drive it long enough, it cannot rely solely on home electricity, as that wouldn’t cover many kilometers in winter. So unless you have an extremely unusual driving pattern (many long trips within your home charging radius exclusively in summer), this claim does not hold true. Probably the same incorrect accounting trick is used here again, attributing summer solar power to winter charging consumption, which is physically absurd. It’s also always ignored that only the surplus electricity from your own photovoltaic system is available to the EV, not the power already used by refrigerators, heat pumps, etc. Otherwise, you’re just shifting the electricity purchase from the car to the refrigerator. The purchased electricity in the winter months is almost always 100% coal-generated. If I replace a modern combustion car with an electric one today, the new electric car adds a new electricity consumer that does not, as often mistakenly presented, draw from the overall energy mix but from additional electricity production, which is either 100% brown coal (mostly in winter) or 100% green energy (mostly in summer during daytime).
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