ᐅ Challenging Floor Plan, Plot, and Historic Building – Section 34

Created on: 11 Feb 2025 21:44
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buttyhome
Dear Forum,

First of all, we would like to introduce ourselves. We are a family of four and have now found a nice sloped plot in NRW. We are aware that it is considered a "challenging plot" in terms of buildability, but we have fallen in love with the location and the view. It is a total of 390 m² (4200 sq ft) of building land, with green space extending behind the plot. Currently, it is occupied by two buildings, the front one of which is a listed monument requiring renovation. The rear building is in such poor condition that it must be demolished. Of course, the monument must not be significantly disturbed within its ensemble, so a modern flat roof is unfortunately not possible. However, I am hopeful that we can connect the monument with our planned new building by a joint or gap.

First, the current situation: the front house is the monument, which I intend to renovate and use as a home office/guest room.


The front house currently has two floors, but ceiling heights no longer meet our needs due to our height, so we plan, as far as possible, to remove some walls and the ceiling between floors to expose the beams.

Now to our planned new build. We are working with an architect we really trust, who has designed and renovated some truly excellent houses within our circle of friends.

Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: buildable - 390 m² (4200 sq ft), with green space behind
Slope: yes, ascending towards the rear, with an incline between 8 and 12 %, so the house will sit at the lower part of the slope. Unfortunately, the view into the valley can only be enjoyed from the upper floor due to buildings on the opposite side of the street.
§34 construction: “mixed neighborhood”, single and two-story buildings with flat and pitched roofs, some 2.5-story pitched roofs
Edge development: apparently quite common in the neighborhood. My architect is more optimistic than I am that edge development will be allowed.
Number of parking spaces: 1
Number of stories: two full floors + pitched roof
Roof type: pitched roof
Style: must integrate with the half-timbered monument for an overall harmony (please no historicism, I prefer modern architecture, perhaps with wooden cladding)
Orientation: The architect insists on building the eaves side facing the street because of window areas. I am unsure if this is possible due to boundary constraints, so I suggest a gable orientation as an alternative. I am particularly interested in your ideas here! We are still in the very first planning phase.
Maximum height / limits: 2.5 stories

Client requirements
Number of occupants: 2 adults + 2 children
Ground floor space needs: master bedroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, separate cloakroom, either at the rear (slope) or in the basement: laundry room, storage, building services
Upper floor: large open-plan kitchen and living area with garden access, fireplace, guest toilet
Office: combined with guest room
Occasional overnight guests per year
Open or closed architecture: open plan
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen with island
Minimum dining seats: 8
Fireplace: yes
Music/speaker wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Carport

House design
Not yet available, we are still assessing the basic buildability
Designer: architect versus own ideas
Personal budget for house including fittings: initially open, we want to see what is possible
Preferred heating system: heat pump

If you had to give up something, which details or features
- can you do without: -
- cannot do without: large window front facing the garden with direct garden/terrace access

Here is the architect’s first concept. She assumes basic buildability including edge development and therefore wants to place the new build with the eaves side directly adjacent to the neighbor. I would prefer a longer joint/gap, but that would make the edge building length disproportionate. I find that unfortunate as I would like the new building positioned further back in the plot to create a larger front courtyard. This is the first idea currently being checked for feasibility by the building and monument authorities:

Site plan of a building plot with parcels, buildings, and access roads


The extension toward the garden is optional and designed with a flat roof.

My idea would be to extend the building joint further, placing the entrance and cloakroom there, with the new building accessed above. This new building would be rotated to face with its gable. Because it would extend far into the slope, the ground floor would effectively become a basement, and the upper floor would have direct garden access at ground level. I would also need to encroach on the neighboring boundary, but I imagine this might be simpler as I am only planning a single story there. Would the house then have enough windows? You don’t want to orient large window fronts too much towards neighbors, but at least toward the garden I would like to have a large gable window area.

Plot and floor plan with blue building area and surrounding buildings


Thank you very much for your suggestions! What do you think is feasible? What are the pros and cons?
I am also still looking for a contour map. All the maps I find online are somewhat coarse. Is there an online resource for NRW? What options should I select in the NRW geoportal to get a good detailed representation?
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buttyhome
26 Feb 2025 17:15
We have the opportunity to carry out a minimally invasive component investigation to determine the structure of the walls and ceilings before they are officially protected. Does anyone have experience with what to watch out for?
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buttyhome
29 May 2025 13:55
So, I would like to keep you updated. The structural survey revealed that the walls and staircase are original to the construction period. As a result, the entire building and floor plan are now protected as a historic monument. This means we have to abandon the plan to integrate the house into a new build.

The land has been surveyed, and our architect has now proposed a new build that already makes us happy (except for the construction costs). I would like to make use of the collective intelligence here and gather comments on the plan. However, I’m not sure about the rights involved. Am I allowed to upload the plans here since I am the client, or would that infringe copyright?
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ypg
29 May 2025 14:32
buttyhome schrieb:

I’m not sure who holds the rights. Am I allowed to upload the plans here because I am the client, or would that violate copyright?

It depends. Copyright is non-transferable. The creator is the copyright holder and will always remain so. Contractually, it can be arranged whether or to what extent rights are passed on. As a photographer, I include in my invoices that clients are allowed to use the photos for specific purposes, including online, without naming me as the copyright holder.

I assume that since you did not commission a city hall or a work of art, the architect probably did not create a unique, distinctive architectural style over many years, but simply designed a house plan with great ideas. I would approach this calmly. If an architect objects, it might mean they are not confident in their own product. Otherwise, it can only be free publicity.

So if you upload the architect’s design here and someone else downloads and uses it elsewhere without permission, that person would be committing an offense. But this basically applies to any image material.
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kbt09
29 May 2025 14:34
In addition to @ypg ...... the design cannot simply be reused due to the specific characteristics of the plot and is therefore truly very individual.
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buttyhome
29 May 2025 16:29
Okay, here is the first draft.
The goal was to comply with setback requirements and gable height restrictions. The survey showed that the wall to the south is quite far onto our property. Therefore, you can get close to the wall and there won’t be a large terrace on the south side, but the house doesn’t have to be too narrow. It is still unclear whether we will swap the kitchen and living room, both open plan.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask. This is a first draft, so it’s the perfect time for constructive feedback. Also, if we should build smaller (I appreciate every saved cent).
Grundriss eines Wohnhauses mit Terrasse, Küche, Wohnen/Essen, Atelier, Abstellraum, Gästehaus.

Grundriss eines Gebäudeteils mit Treppe, Flur und Kellerräumen auf Plan.

Grundriss eines Hauses: Innenräume, zwei Terrassen, Balkon, Garten mit Bäumen.

Zwei Ansichten eines modernen Hauses: West- und Ostansicht mit Holzverkleidung und Bäumen.

Südansicht eines modernen Gebäudes mit horizontalen Fassaden, zwei Personen davor, Bäume dahinter.

Nordansicht eines Gebäudes: modernes Holzhaus, daneben Fachwerkhaus, Bäume im Hintergrund

Schnittansicht eines Gebäudes mit Treppen, Türen, Fenstern, umliegenden Bäumen und zwei Personen am Eingang.
11ant29 May 2025 18:34
buttyhome schrieb:

So, I would like to keep you updated. The structural survey revealed that the walls and staircase are original to the building period. As a result, the entire building and floor plan are now protected as a historic monument. This means we have to abandon the plan to integrate the house into the new construction.
The plot has been surveyed, and our architect has now proposed a new building.

So only the little cottage must remain standing exactly as it is, while the rear house will be replaced. How is the little cottage supposed to be used in this case (since leaving it unused would lead to decay, which would be counterproductive from a heritage preservation perspective)?
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