Hello everyone
We are planning the dining/cooking/living area, so I’m not sure if this is the right forum?
We have a 3.5-room apartment on the ground floor. We enjoy cooking, also for family and friends.
We have a space of 7.25 m x 7.10 m (24 ft x 23 ft 4 in) available.
Our requirements:
- A bar in the kitchen for 2 or more people
- Enough space to cook together with family and friends
- A dining table for 8 people
Attached you will find the floor plan. What would be your suggestions for the layout of the dining/cooking/living area?
I have attached the floor plan as a JPEG and a PDF; both are the same.
We already had 1-2 ideas, but they all had their weaknesses. Therefore, as a starting point, I removed all furniture from the floor plan to avoid any bias.
Additionally, due to the large open space, a support column will be needed. This can be placed relatively flexibly somewhere central, so I would like to first plan the dining/cooking/living area. The column can then be integrated where it makes the most sense (e.g., near a bar or kitchen corner).
What other information would be helpful?
Thanks in advance and best regards
We are planning the dining/cooking/living area, so I’m not sure if this is the right forum?
We have a 3.5-room apartment on the ground floor. We enjoy cooking, also for family and friends.
We have a space of 7.25 m x 7.10 m (24 ft x 23 ft 4 in) available.
Our requirements:
- A bar in the kitchen for 2 or more people
- Enough space to cook together with family and friends
- A dining table for 8 people
Attached you will find the floor plan. What would be your suggestions for the layout of the dining/cooking/living area?
I have attached the floor plan as a JPEG and a PDF; both are the same.
We already had 1-2 ideas, but they all had their weaknesses. Therefore, as a starting point, I removed all furniture from the floor plan to avoid any bias.
Additionally, due to the large open space, a support column will be needed. This can be placed relatively flexibly somewhere central, so I would like to first plan the dining/cooking/living area. The column can then be integrated where it makes the most sense (e.g., near a bar or kitchen corner).
What other information would be helpful?
Thanks in advance and best regards
Unfortunately, we cannot create an alternative access to the upper floor later due to local regulations, so we need to plan for it now. If we wanted to create a different access later, it would not be accepted or approved. Inside the building, however, we have flexibility.
haydee schrieb:
I would change the location of the stairs and plan a separate access in case the apartment is divided later. You are building for now, not for some indefinite future. The layout might be changed differently in the future than you currently imagine.
kbt09 schrieb:
@haydee ... we already suggested that combination almost a year ago.
EDIT:
It is always more effective to simply continue ongoing discussions after a break.Hello kpt09: yes, I know, sorry. After searching for 10 minutes, I couldn’t find the old thread and then opened a new one, sorry again for that. As mentioned, due to local regulations, we cannot make the access any other way. Inside, we are free to design as we want.
However, I really don’t want to give up the option of dividing the house later. The children are all already at school, so it is foreseeable that in 10–12 years we will no longer need the whole house.
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nordanney1 Apr 2025 12:18faselph schrieb:
Unfortunately, due to local regulations, we cannot create another access to the upper floor later; it has to be planned now. If we wanted to add a different entrance later, it would not be accepted or approved. In that case, you create a spacious entrance area. Move the staircase toward the back. A small guest toilet on the ground floor. No separate entrance to the downstairs “apartment.”
faselph schrieb:
Inside, we have complete freedom. Then a nice floor plan downstairs is possible as well.
faselph schrieb:
But I really don’t want to give up the option of dividing later. The children are all already in school, so it’s foreseeable that in 10-12 years we won’t need the entire house anymore. Then you just have to live with a total mess for 10-12 years. When the kids move out, everything will be sold and a house (or apartment) more suitable for your age will be looked for. Oh, and are you absolutely sure that all the children will move out immediately after 10-12 years? What about vocational training or university? Even if only one child stays longer, your issue continues. Maybe it will be 20 years?
Not even above the outbuilding on the right?
I still have something in mind regarding the historic preservation requirements.
How long did the children continue to use their space during their education or afterward? Living at home is still a practical way to save some money as start-up capital or to have a guest room for visiting parents.
Maybe one of your children will move in later with a larger family, and you can make yourselves comfortable under the roof without noise overhead.
Do you want unrelated tenants in the house?
I would plan for the present.
I still have something in mind regarding the historic preservation requirements.
How long did the children continue to use their space during their education or afterward? Living at home is still a practical way to save some money as start-up capital or to have a guest room for visiting parents.
Maybe one of your children will move in later with a larger family, and you can make yourselves comfortable under the roof without noise overhead.
Do you want unrelated tenants in the house?
I would plan for the present.
nordanney schrieb:
Then create a spacious entrance area. Move the staircase to the back. Small guest toilet on the ground floor. No separate entrance to the "apartment" downstairs.
Then a nice floor plan downstairs is possible.
But you’ll have to live with a complete mess for 10-12 years. Once the kids have moved out, everything will be sold and a house (or apartment) suitable for your age will be found. Oh, and are you absolutely sure all the kids will move out immediately after 10-12 years? What about education or university? Even if only one child stays longer, you’ll still have the problem for a longer time. Maybe it’ll be 20 years? Hello Nordanney, moving the staircase to the back and having a more generous entrance area sounds like a good idea, it also provides appropriate storage space in the entrance area. I will definitely take a closer look at that.
However, the problem with the square-shaped dining/cooking/living area remains.
No one really knows what will happen in 10 years, you’re probably right that it’s better to build for the present and address the rest when the time comes.
The situation remains that the front door, exterior walls, and windows are fixed, or we start over again (although the door and exterior walls would still be in place).
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hanghaus20231 Apr 2025 12:50faselph schrieb:
Hello hanghaus2023, I think the idea is good, but unfortunately, I believe we can no longer change the windows, which is a shame (though I would need to confirm). Which option do you prefer? Why is it no longer possible to change a window? Is the new building already under construction?
In the southeast, a large fixed window and only one door.
You should have pinned that post.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundriss-wohnteil-bauernhaus-ch-aufteilung-zimmer-nutzung-flaeche.47311/
The living room there is barely noticeable.
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