ᐅ Challenging Floor Plan, Plot, and Historic Building – Section 34

Created on: 11 Feb 2025 21:44
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buttyhome
Dear Forum,

First of all, we would like to introduce ourselves. We are a family of four and have now found a nice sloped plot in NRW. We are aware that it is considered a "challenging plot" in terms of buildability, but we have fallen in love with the location and the view. It is a total of 390 m² (4200 sq ft) of building land, with green space extending behind the plot. Currently, it is occupied by two buildings, the front one of which is a listed monument requiring renovation. The rear building is in such poor condition that it must be demolished. Of course, the monument must not be significantly disturbed within its ensemble, so a modern flat roof is unfortunately not possible. However, I am hopeful that we can connect the monument with our planned new building by a joint or gap.

First, the current situation: the front house is the monument, which I intend to renovate and use as a home office/guest room.


The front house currently has two floors, but ceiling heights no longer meet our needs due to our height, so we plan, as far as possible, to remove some walls and the ceiling between floors to expose the beams.

Now to our planned new build. We are working with an architect we really trust, who has designed and renovated some truly excellent houses within our circle of friends.

Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: buildable - 390 m² (4200 sq ft), with green space behind
Slope: yes, ascending towards the rear, with an incline between 8 and 12 %, so the house will sit at the lower part of the slope. Unfortunately, the view into the valley can only be enjoyed from the upper floor due to buildings on the opposite side of the street.
§34 construction: “mixed neighborhood”, single and two-story buildings with flat and pitched roofs, some 2.5-story pitched roofs
Edge development: apparently quite common in the neighborhood. My architect is more optimistic than I am that edge development will be allowed.
Number of parking spaces: 1
Number of stories: two full floors + pitched roof
Roof type: pitched roof
Style: must integrate with the half-timbered monument for an overall harmony (please no historicism, I prefer modern architecture, perhaps with wooden cladding)
Orientation: The architect insists on building the eaves side facing the street because of window areas. I am unsure if this is possible due to boundary constraints, so I suggest a gable orientation as an alternative. I am particularly interested in your ideas here! We are still in the very first planning phase.
Maximum height / limits: 2.5 stories

Client requirements
Number of occupants: 2 adults + 2 children
Ground floor space needs: master bedroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, separate cloakroom, either at the rear (slope) or in the basement: laundry room, storage, building services
Upper floor: large open-plan kitchen and living area with garden access, fireplace, guest toilet
Office: combined with guest room
Occasional overnight guests per year
Open or closed architecture: open plan
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen with island
Minimum dining seats: 8
Fireplace: yes
Music/speaker wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Carport

House design
Not yet available, we are still assessing the basic buildability
Designer: architect versus own ideas
Personal budget for house including fittings: initially open, we want to see what is possible
Preferred heating system: heat pump

If you had to give up something, which details or features
- can you do without: -
- cannot do without: large window front facing the garden with direct garden/terrace access

Here is the architect’s first concept. She assumes basic buildability including edge development and therefore wants to place the new build with the eaves side directly adjacent to the neighbor. I would prefer a longer joint/gap, but that would make the edge building length disproportionate. I find that unfortunate as I would like the new building positioned further back in the plot to create a larger front courtyard. This is the first idea currently being checked for feasibility by the building and monument authorities:

Site plan of a building plot with parcels, buildings, and access roads


The extension toward the garden is optional and designed with a flat roof.

My idea would be to extend the building joint further, placing the entrance and cloakroom there, with the new building accessed above. This new building would be rotated to face with its gable. Because it would extend far into the slope, the ground floor would effectively become a basement, and the upper floor would have direct garden access at ground level. I would also need to encroach on the neighboring boundary, but I imagine this might be simpler as I am only planning a single story there. Would the house then have enough windows? You don’t want to orient large window fronts too much towards neighbors, but at least toward the garden I would like to have a large gable window area.

Plot and floor plan with blue building area and surrounding buildings


Thank you very much for your suggestions! What do you think is feasible? What are the pros and cons?
I am also still looking for a contour map. All the maps I find online are somewhat coarse. Is there an online resource for NRW? What options should I select in the NRW geoportal to get a good detailed representation?
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haydee
13 Feb 2025 15:54
Your architect should be familiar with the regulations concerning existing rights.

In our village, some people left their basements as they were and built on top of them.
11ant13 Feb 2025 18:00
haydee schrieb:

Your architect should be familiar with the concept of non-conforming use protection.
In our village, some people left their basements standing and built over them.
Many building authorities do approve constructions on existing foundations (or even in place and size of them), but a basement alone does not automatically provide formal non-conforming use protection for the structure above it.
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buttyhome
13 Feb 2025 19:22
11ant schrieb:

Many building authorities do approve constructions on existing foundations (or even in place and size of them), but a basement alone does not automatically grant formal legal protection for the structure above.
I find the building authorities somewhat inflexible. I wish it were possible to sit down with them and have them explain what is fundamentally feasible. Instead, it works the other way around: you submit a preliminary building proposal, and then you’re told it’s not possible. Then you have to submit a new plan. Isn’t there a way to make this process more constructive?
11ant13 Feb 2025 19:32
buttyhome schrieb:

I find the building authorities a bit uncooperative. I wish they would sit down with you and explain what is basically possible. But it actually works the other way around: you have to submit a preliminary building application, and then they say it’s not allowed. Please submit a new plan. Isn’t there a way to make this process more constructive?

That’s not quite true. Many building authorities offer consultation hours for construction advice—precisely to avoid having to submit multiple preliminary applications for the same building project.
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ypg
13 Feb 2025 19:48
buttyhome schrieb:

Unfortunately, I can’t send you a private message yet, I’m still a new member. Could you maybe send me a message once?

It doesn’t work the other way around either. My private message would just disappear into the void.
buttyhome schrieb:

The neighbor on the left built right on the property line, and there are no windows there. I just don’t know exactly what the rules are if you keep the three-meter (10 feet) distance.

You are, of course, allowed to install windows if you keep the three-meter (10 feet) distance.
buttyhome schrieb:

Isn’t there a way to make this process more constructive?

See post #34. That’s what city or town halls are for.
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ypg
13 Feb 2025 20:04
buttyhome schrieb:

Section 34 development, "hodgepodge" in the neighborhood, single-story, two-story flat roof and gable roof, 2.5-story gable roof

Clarifying the number of floors again, since you incorrectly classified the single-story: are two full stories actually possible?