ᐅ Is Schwörerhaus a premium provider compared to Streif Haus?

11ant schrieb:

I prefer the term professional, but yes, I can. For over forty years.

You’ve quite accurately described the self-perception of the Streif Haus brand. But would you say Mercedes is not premium? (They only recently decided to offer the second side mirror at no extra cost). The typical Schwörerhaus customer is above the typical Streif customer in terms of annual income and proximity to management. Weberhaus and Huf Haus rank above both.

What’s the purpose of your question: do you want to know which of the two you should bet on to offer you your house at a lower final price, including (as the kebab seller says) “with everything”?

Whether professional or expert, both face the same problem here: you haven’t shared anything about yourself or your house planning—how should anyone then sense which company would be better for you?
Read through the house building roadmap, complete “Module A” with your architect, and then be surprised in the resting phase of the dough with the outcome of your decision. “Ranking names” is not productive.

Thanks for your feedback.

We have already spoken with both providers, as they were recommended to us by an extended circle of acquaintances.

I would now like to find out whether the major providers differ significantly (wall construction, sound insulation, foundation/slab, etc.) or if it ultimately just comes down to how much each covers in the building specification.

ypg schrieb:

Good example: which car brand has advantages? Mercedes or BMW?
Can that be answered?

I understand what you are getting at. But do I also understand correctly that Streif Haus does not have to hide behind Mercedes in terms of quality among providers?

I realize the approach is supposed to be different; with this post, I simply wanted to get a feel for both providers. It could be that someone here advises against one provider for whatever reason.

You want to get a feeling that brings you nothing or might even lead you in the wrong direction. I only know Streif Haus from earlier, but if you pay more at Streif Haus or anywhere else, you also get more for it. With a car, I understand that you like the design, and with ketchup the special taste, but when it comes to building a house, that is almost nonsense.

In general, advising against a particular provider would be unprofessional, as they all build houses that won’t collapse for decades.

Again: You should have clarity about the building site as well as your budget and personal needs/wishes. For example, if you have a sloped plot, the classic prefab builders may be less suitable. If you are a really skilled, willing DIYer with time, a shell-and-core house (or self-build package) might be an option, but this would limit your choices.

So my questions are:
Do you have a plot of land?
What is your budget?
What are your space requirements?

Arauki11 schrieb:

You want to get a feeling that won’t really help you or might even lead you in the wrong direction. I only know Streif Haus from before, but if you pay more at Streif Haus or elsewhere, you will also get more for it. I understand that with a car you might like the design, or with ketchup the special taste, but when it comes to building a house, that’s almost nonsense.
In general, it would be unprofessional to advise against a particular builder, since they all build houses that won’t collapse for decades.
Again: You should have clarity about the building plot as well as your budget and personal needs/wishes.
For example, if you have a sloped lot, traditional prefabricated builders may be less suitable; if you are a truly skilled, willing DIYer with time, a shell construction (self-build) might be an option, which would again limit your choices.

Therefore, my questions:
Do you have a plot of land?
What is your budget?
What are your space requirements?

We have a plot of land (slight slope).
The budget for the house is around 450,000 Euro.
After an initial consultation with an architect, it will come down to about 150 square meters (1,615 square feet).
We want a turnkey solution from one source, with the exception of flooring and painting, which we will complete ourselves.

MrNiceGuy schrieb:

I wanted to ask whether the major providers differ significantly (wall structure, soundproofing, foundation slab, etc.) or if it ultimately just comes down to who covers more in the construction specifications. [ / ] I understand your point. But do I also understand correctly that Streif Haus does not have to hide qualitatively as the "Mercedes" among the providers?

A salami frozen pizza from Oetker is made according to a different recipe than Wagner’s; having a doctorate doesn’t make it “better.” The basic ingredients can only differ marginally— a timber frame panel is a timber frame panel; it always relies on panels on the outside and inside for surface rigidity, and posts between the top and bottom beams transfer the loads. The spaces in between contain some kind of insulation to create a thermal insulation composite system (WDI) according to the required standard. Water boils at 100°C (212°F), whether it’s from Fachinger or Perrier, or even Marienquelle. The real differences between the big-name products lie in their target customer groups, and for you, the choice makes little difference. Flip a coin. You can see a “Mercedes” in the sense of today (oh, and Daimler is not it anymore, right?) in both.

MrNiceGuy schrieb:

I’m aware that the approach is supposed to be different; I just wanted to get a feel for the two providers with this post. It might be that someone here advises against one of them for some reason. [...] We have already spoken with both providers because they were recommended by people in our extended social circle.

As I said, complete Module A with your architect and bring the preliminary design into the planning pause phase to make key decisions there. That’s where you get a feel for the answers to the two central questions (which I’ve explained elsewhere in detail). You can also make these key decisions yourself following my example. If your extended social circle understands you well (i.e., especially if these recommendations come from people who share your income bracket and customer expectations), then the two timber frame providers you mentioned are already suitable choices. Then add two local family-owned contractors like Steiner and a fifth from any other group, and from their responses you can figure out which version of the house building roadmap (basic sequence or “Reloaded” version) to follow. It’s no rocket science — daily business for me, but perfectly doable on your own, too. After all, I’ve written quite a bit about this here over the past nearly eight years.

Arauki11 schrieb:

I only know Streif Haus from a while back, but if you pay more at Streif Haus or elsewhere, you also get more for your money.

Emphasis on “or elsewhere,” meaning also the other provider you mentioned or their competitors (each with their own clientele that fits better than others). I’ve known this industry for over forty years; many of the original companies now have different ownership structures and are positioned as brands for market segments or channels. For example, former competitors Bien and Zenker merged some time ago. This is similar to other sectors (glass became part of BMW, NSU and DKW are now known as Horch, aka Audi; Maybach is a Mercedes line). And as I said, with Schwörer Haus and Streif Haus, don’t compare Heinz von Heiden or Town & Country (both a different league), but rather Huberfranz and Sohn.

Arauki11 schrieb:

That’s why I’m asking:

I wholeheartedly agree with this part of the post, too.

MrNiceGuy schrieb:

We have a plot of land (slight slope).
Budget for the house is about 450,000 euros.
After an initial consultation with an architect, it will probably be around 150 square meters.

Show the plot and start the thread with the completed questionnaire https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundriss-planung-unbedingt-vor-beitrag-erstellung-lesen.11714/ — then we can also see how “slight” the slope really is.

MrNiceGuy schrieb:

And we want everything from a single source and ready to move into except for the flooring and painting.

That sounds like a slight contradiction. Keep in mind that the finishing level “ready to move in minus” can be economically questionable and sometimes even more expensive than “finished shell plus,” and you might run into warranty pitfalls. There are good reasons why independent building consultants like me (and many colleagues) — for which an architect is not the worst choice — have plenty of work.

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MrNiceGuy schrieb:

Budget for the house is about 450,000 Euros.

With 150 sqm (1,615 sq ft), Schwörerhaus and Streif house are out of the question anyway. A regional general contractor is a better contact. Or Town & Country and similar providers.