ᐅ Beautiful new L-shaped kitchen in a newly built home, with no prior experience
Created on: 19 Jan 2025 14:56
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NeuDabei2025
Hello everyone!
I have been following your forum closely during our house construction, and now we are facing the decision of how to design our kitchen.
Originally, we wanted a walk-in pantry, but in our opinion, that no longer seems feasible. So, we have designed the kitchen in an L-shape with plenty of storage space. The water connection and electrical planning are still pending.
We had an initial design made (3D images; floor plan recreated by me), but since we have no experience buying a kitchen yet, we are looking forward to your suggestions! Thanks in advance...
Best regards
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Regarding the appliances, we are still undecided, but we could imagine the following:
Range hood: Siemens iQ500 LC81KAN60
Cooktop: Siemens iQ700 EX845HVC1E
Oven: Siemens iQ700 HB774G1B1
Dishwasher: Siemens iQ500 SN65EX12CE
For the sink, we are considering:
Franke Maris MRG 611-78 (as shown in the picture)
I have read quite a bit of criticism about durability and food discoloration.
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About the kitchen itself, here is some information:
Manufacturer: Nobilia
Fronts: Touch 336 lacquer laminate Magnolia super matte
Countertop: 149 Concrete Terragrau
Carcass: 120 Magnolia
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Brief explanation of the layout (based on the floor plan and 3D renderings):
General
We will probably have a direct passage from the hallway into the kitchen, which will remain open.
We are still unsure whether the kitchen should be 240 cm (about 94 inches) high at all (possibly too tall) and/or if a panel should be installed all the way up to the ceiling to enclose it. With friends, a fully enclosed kitchen up to the ceiling looked very good.
All handles should be centered, whether on drawers or regular doors.
We have not decided yet what to use as backsplash decoration (on the wall).
Wall next to the door
Wall to the left of the floor-to-ceiling window
Wall to the right of the floor-to-ceiling window
I have been following your forum closely during our house construction, and now we are facing the decision of how to design our kitchen.
Originally, we wanted a walk-in pantry, but in our opinion, that no longer seems feasible. So, we have designed the kitchen in an L-shape with plenty of storage space. The water connection and electrical planning are still pending.
We had an initial design made (3D images; floor plan recreated by me), but since we have no experience buying a kitchen yet, we are looking forward to your suggestions! Thanks in advance...
Best regards
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Regarding the appliances, we are still undecided, but we could imagine the following:
Range hood: Siemens iQ500 LC81KAN60
Cooktop: Siemens iQ700 EX845HVC1E
Oven: Siemens iQ700 HB774G1B1
Dishwasher: Siemens iQ500 SN65EX12CE
For the sink, we are considering:
Franke Maris MRG 611-78 (as shown in the picture)
I have read quite a bit of criticism about durability and food discoloration.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
About the kitchen itself, here is some information:
Manufacturer: Nobilia
Fronts: Touch 336 lacquer laminate Magnolia super matte
Countertop: 149 Concrete Terragrau
Carcass: 120 Magnolia
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Brief explanation of the layout (based on the floor plan and 3D renderings):
General
We will probably have a direct passage from the hallway into the kitchen, which will remain open.
We are still unsure whether the kitchen should be 240 cm (about 94 inches) high at all (possibly too tall) and/or if a panel should be installed all the way up to the ceiling to enclose it. With friends, a fully enclosed kitchen up to the ceiling looked very good.
All handles should be centered, whether on drawers or regular doors.
We have not decided yet what to use as backsplash decoration (on the wall).
Wall next to the door
- Possibly a French door refrigerator will be placed centered on the wall next to the door
- To the left of the fridge will be the stove, and to the right the raised dishwasher
- We are undecided whether the cabinet on the left should have just one door or multiple doors
- It would be nice if the dishwasher is the same height as the stove, but that would make it very tall and the planner says this is not possible with the manufacturer
Wall to the left of the floor-to-ceiling window
- In the L-shape, the left side will provide storage for everything, since we no longer have a pantry
- The cabinets can only be 40 cm (about 16 inches) deep due to the window
- We are undecided whether these should have one, two, or three doors
Wall to the right of the floor-to-ceiling window
- The standard width of the drawers should be 60 cm (about 24 inches)
- The height including the countertop is approximately 90 cm (about 35 inches), with a 10 cm (about 4 inches) plinth, but I am not entirely sure
- The stove will be 90 cm (about 35 inches) wide, and we chose a range hood because a cooktop with integrated extractor would be more expensive and louder
- The sink should be centered under the window
- We are unsure whether to choose a Franke sink made of ceramic or a simpler material
- The sink should be in a cashmere color or similar
- At the end of the L-shape, we have a cabinet with a carousel
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wiltshire26 Jan 2025 12:09NeuDabei2025 schrieb:
Steam ovens don’t have pyrolytic self-cleaning. In my opinion, this is due to technical reasons. We have an oven with a steam burst function and pyrolytic cleaning (Siemens as well). The steam oven is hardly ever used for baking or roasting and doesn’t need pyrolytic cleaning because nothing sticks.
NeuDabei2025 schrieb:
What do you use a warming drawer for? Besides using it to let meat rest, I also use the warming drawer to warm plates and keep food warm if someone arrives late or if I mistime cooking and part of the dish is ready too early.
MachsSelbst schrieb:
Built-in coffee machine... well, in my home office, 5 to 7 Americanos a day are brewed, my wife drinks a lot of coffee as well, and so do guests. And a fully automatic machine takes up a lot of countertop space. A fully automatic machine is not my choice; I prefer an espresso machine with a portafilter. Most fully automatic machines I know get cleaned thoroughly only on the outside while the inside molds away. People often think the cleaning function is enough for proper and hygienic operation. As a guest, I often refuse coffee from fully automatic machines, not only because of the taste but also due to my combination of imagination and knowledge of machines.
MachsSelbst schrieb:
The second oven can also be just 45cm (18 inches) high and have a microwave function. Yes, the steam oven can be smaller. I see the microwave function more in the “main” unit.
MachsSelbst schrieb:
The dream would be a vacuum drawer underneath... but that is really pure luxury and correspondingly very expensive. Vacuum sealing is great. I rarely need it and have a device that I place on the countertop from time to time and then put away again.
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NeuDabei202526 Jan 2025 14:45Ibdk14 schrieb:
I'm still a bit concerned about the dishwasher placement. You might end up handling the dishes to be loaded over the washbasin or countertop.
That could cause water to drip onto the floor. It's possible to do it this way, but it's not ideal. With a new kitchen layout, I would arrange it differently.
Dishwashers should always be close to the sink. You can quickly rinse dishes (if necessary) and load them straight into the machine. The dishwasher is located almost directly behind the sink, in the central area, inside the tall cabinet to the right of the refrigerator.
We didn’t want it right next to the sink since it needed to be at mid-height. That’s why the dishwasher is installed in the tall cabinet. But yes, some water might drip onto the floor there.
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wiltshire26 Jan 2025 14:46@Tolentino: You commented on this completely correctly. Anyone with such "problems" can count themselves lucky.
Of course, one stove is more than enough for a kitchen, and we should keep things in perspective. My enthusiasm sometimes leads me down various rabbit holes, and occasionally I bring someone along with me.
As homeowners, we are all privileged — that should not be forgotten amidst all the extra requests and detailed distractions.
In the end, I’d rather happily cook on a €10 (about $11) portable burner in the garden than be dissatisfied in a "just nearly perfect" mega kitchen.
Of course, one stove is more than enough for a kitchen, and we should keep things in perspective. My enthusiasm sometimes leads me down various rabbit holes, and occasionally I bring someone along with me.
As homeowners, we are all privileged — that should not be forgotten amidst all the extra requests and detailed distractions.
In the end, I’d rather happily cook on a €10 (about $11) portable burner in the garden than be dissatisfied in a "just nearly perfect" mega kitchen.
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wiltshire26 Jan 2025 14:50NeuDabei2025 schrieb:
The dishwasher is located almost directly behind the sink. The planned central element is the tall cabinet to the right of the refrigerator.
We didn’t want it right next to the sink because it needed to be at mid-height. That’s why the dishwasher is integrated into the tall cabinet. But yes, some dripping on the floor can occur there. The layout isn’t ideal but is the best solution when raising the height is of utmost importance.
Everyone has different priorities. We decided not to have a dishwasher since there are only two of us.
wiltshire schrieb:
You commented on that completely correctly. Anyone who has such "problems" is pretty lucky. All good, I actually found the sentence about imagination and people skills genuinely funny.
Ibdk14 schrieb:
Dishwasher should always be located near the sink. Quickly rinse (if necessary) and load into the machine.Why quickly rinse? Ideally, scrape leftovers into the trash, preferably using a MUPL system, and then simply put the dishes into the dishwasher. There is no need to pre-rinse.Similar topics