ᐅ BEV – Battery Electric Vehicle Experiences and Recommendations

wiltshire schrieb:

I lack trust in the Chinese models and Tesla when it comes to handling the collected data in a user-friendly way. It’s easy to forget that you are buying a connected, always-on device that not only has location tracking but also microphones and cameras—features you don’t control turning on or off like with a smartphone.

Please google "We know where your car is parked."
The Chaos Computer Club (CCC) revealed that the Volkswagen Group systematically collects movement data from hundreds of thousands of vehicles across the VW, Audi, Skoda, and Seat brands and stores it over long periods. The data, including information about vehicle owners, was also publicly accessible on the internet without protection.

Wo1z3rl schrieb:

Please Google "We know where your car is parked."
The Chaos Computer Club (CCC) reveals that the Volkswagen Group systematically collects movement data from hundreds of thousands of vehicles under the brands VW, Audi, Skoda, and Seat, and stores it over long periods. The data, including information about vehicle owners, was also accessible on the internet without protection.

So? They were just dumb enough to get caught. Otherwise, I "expect" this from every manufacturer and, if possible, even more data collection by the Chinese.
Surely no one seriously believes that if you own an electronic device like a PC, smartphone, modern car, etc., and perhaps also use services from Musk, Zuckerberg, and so on, your data is not being collected.

This topic clearly highlights how different approaches, perceptions, expectations, and parameters can be, which is perfectly normal in my opinion.

For your requirements, as well as ours, you could simply choose the cheapest leasing offer and likely meet your needs. When it comes to buying, however, other parameters tend to play a role in the decision.

I have set up a search alert on Goleasy, especially regarding the leasing factor, and I’m surprised by what sometimes pops up on certain days. I’m sure new offers will continue to appear throughout the summer; as mentioned, you really have to act quickly for the few top deals.

I don’t have deep knowledge about the situation with China, but I’m certain not everything there works to the customer’s advantage. However, considering that even the AUDI board members were imprisoned and that much of the German automotive industry deceived their customers, I don’t generally feel more uneasy about driving a Tesla from the, in my opinion, somewhat crazy Musk. In my utility room, there is photovoltaic technology from Huawei—without which the German telecommunications network probably wouldn’t function anymore (layman’s information)—and as far as I know, my MG Marvel from SAIC China probably comes from the same factory as some VW and Skoda models (SAIC Volkswagen Automotive Co., Ltd.).

I’ve also test-driven the Ora, which is sometimes available at a good price, and we actually found it quite fun. So, the question will be how much more money you’re willing or able to spend for more driving enjoyment, which is, of course, defined differently by everyone.

I often read about software issues and can’t deny them. For me, though, these are almost irrelevant because other things bring me joy, and I rarely use the software options.

The basic needs for electric vehicles can already be met with a relatively low budget. I personally like the Ford Mach-E, as well as the Capri and the XPeng. Who knows what the summer will bring? At the moment, I see an Ioniq 6 at a great leasing price.

Arauki11 schrieb:

For your requirements, as well as ours, you could simply choose the cheapest leasing offer and would probably meet your needs that way. When buying, however, different factors usually come into play in the decision.
I set up a search request on Goleasy, especially regarding the leasing factor.

This approach got me the 500e back then. I urgently needed a BEV and sorted by monthly payment and immediate availability. That resulted in a 500e with good equipment and a lease payment of 100€ (about $110) per month.
Another bargain currently in the fleet is a Volvo XC60 (250 hp gasoline engine) fully equipped for just under 140€ (about $155) per month with 15,000 km (9,300 miles) annually.
If you’re not driven by emotions, you can really drive cheaply. Especially since many manufacturers will be forced this year to subsidize their electric vehicle offerings to meet CO2 fleet targets. There should definitely be options available—and without relying on low-cost Chinese models.

filosof schrieb:

Another bargain in the fleet right now is a Volvo XC60 (250 hp gasoline engine) fully loaded for just under €140 per month with 15,000 km (9,320 miles)...

Wow, that would be just my thing, but we have fully committed to electric cars. One is driven daily by my wife, and the other mostly stays at home with me and is charged when electricity is cheap or comes from our photovoltaic system. From about March to October, we practically don’t draw anything from the grid, except when we travel.
Range and charging speed, which initially worried us and probably many others, actually don’t play a significant role for us anymore. For longer trips, we have adjusted our travel style and have already found some nice stops, so what was once a drawback has become a feature. I’m curious to see what it will be like this summer, although I can wait if necessary until the right deal comes along.

Wo1z3rl schrieb:

Please google “We know where your car is parked.”
The Chaos Computer Club (CCC) has revealed that the Volkswagen Group systematically collects and stores movement data from hundreds of thousands of vehicles from the VW, Audi, Skoda, and Seat brands over long periods.

Yes, I understand that others are not innocent either and that mistakes happen. Still, I see a difference. All this surveillance technology, justified by the undeniable argument of safety, really annoys me.
That’s why, especially outside of winter, I prefer to drive my 22-year-old Smart—quite environmentally friendly by using resources efficiently with low fuel consumption over a long time, no surveillance technology (apart from the cellphone, which can be turned off), pure driving pleasure, and even increasing value. This car is more sensible than it looks.