ᐅ Designing a Closed Kitchen with an Access to the Utility Room

kbt09 schrieb:

Why do you need the passage from the kitchen? And a passage in the middle or off-center in the wall won’t solve the problems. Rooms with 326 cm (128 inches) room width can’t accommodate islands. As I said, I know such kitchen layouts from older buildings, but nobody plans kitchens like that in new construction. And I have definitely planned at least 1000 kitchens over the last 18 years.

What would be your advice?
We wanted the passage so you don’t have to go all the way through the living room to the utility room just to grab pasta or something else...
We don’t have a basement.
The passage was meant to be like a hidden pantry, which is quite trendy at the moment.

So basically, should we close the passage to the living room and the passage to the utility room and instead just have a door from the hallway into the kitchen?

That would be the simplest solution, but we would like something a bit special.

Benutzername12 schrieb:

The bathroom and kitchen will not be changed.
They are completely fine for us as they are.

Benutzername12 schrieb:

We won’t make major changes to the kitchen and bathroom.
They suit us like this.

That clearly contradicts the frustration expressed here:

Benutzername12 schrieb:

Hello, we are struggling.
We can’t find a proper solution for planning our kitchen, where we would also like to include a small dining table with four chairs.

Rooms are designed together as part of the overall house plan, not individually. If you are not willing to look at the complete design, it is not possible to optimize individual rooms. Right now, you are treating a house still in the planning stage as if it were an existing house where you have to work with fixed rooms.

Benutzername12 schrieb:

Or perhaps you could work with a kitchen island here. Cabinets in the back for walking through, and a kitchen island in front.

But 13 or 16 square meters (140 or 172 square feet) is too small for that. A functional and ergonomic kitchen needs about 12 to 15 square meters (130 to 160 square feet), preferably a bit more. For a dining area for five people, you also need around 6, 8, or even 10 square meters (65, 86, or 108 square feet). If doors and walkways are involved, these also require clearance space.

Benutzername12 schrieb:

What would be your advice?

Redefine the overall house design and try to break out of this mental cycle.

The room does not function as a kitchen for 5 people. As I have shown, the refrigerator is in the wrong position and too small, the island is only 60cm (24 inches) deep, the oven is installed too low, and I have no idea about the trash, but it is certainly not suitable to place it under the sink. The table measures 160 x 95cm (63 x 37 inches), barely enough for dining. Even if you rotate the table, it doesn’t improve the situation.

Apart from that, necessary dimensions have been cut off.

evelinoz schrieb:

The room doesn’t work as a kitchen for 5 people. As I have shown, the refrigerator is in the wrong place and too small, the island is only 60cm (24 inches) deep, the oven is placed too low, and I have no idea about the trash setup—definitely not under the sink. The table measures 160x95cm (63x37 inches), just barely enough for eating. Even if you rotate the table, it won’t improve the situation.

Aside from that, necessary dimensions were cut off.

Hello, that looks good.
Good suggestion.

We have now had the kitchen planner design it like this.
The bay window would be slightly enlarged at the lower corner,
and you could step outside onto the terrace.
An island in the center. Possibly cooking on the island.

Question to everyone!!
One of the tall cabinets would lead to the pantry.
Would you plan a window or a skylight above so that you can look into the hallway?

kbt09 schrieb:

Why do you need a passage through the kitchen? And a passage in the wall, whether centered or off-center, doesn’t solve the problems. Rooms with a width of 326 cm (128 inches) can’t accommodate islands. As I said, I know kitchens like that from existing buildings, but such kitchen layouts are not planned in new builds. And I’ve certainly designed around 1000 kitchens over the last 18 years.

Take a look at the new plans from the kitchen designer... seems it might work.

The bay window will be extended around the corner to create a straight facade.
A central island will possibly include a cooktop, otherwise it will serve as a workspace and seating area.
The table will be removed from the room.

Then ask for a scaled overhead plan. Where are seats 4 and 5? Or rather, everyone is sitting on the bench, very family-like. (Note the irony)

I would not want to work in THAT kitchen; it is located in the darkest corner with your back to everything. The distance between the island and the right wall should not be more than 60 cm (24 inches)... with chairs, it's even more cramped. This is definitely not a kitchen for a family of five in a 190 m² (2,045 ft²) house. EDIT: As long as there’s a "stylish" tall cabinet walkway... sometimes you just have to shake your head.