ᐅ Construction of an approximately 190 sqm urban villa in Hesse (Wetterau district)
Created on: 10 Jul 2022 17:36
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Dribbdebach
Dear Homebuilding Community,
First of all, thank you very much for the countless tips and suggestions from all of you. I have been visiting this forum for many years and have always greatly benefited from it.
Accordingly, I would like to give something back by sharing our building project here. However, this is not entirely selfless—I welcome advice and recommendations.
For about 10 years, I have been searching for a house and have viewed many existing properties. Building was initially not an option, as plots were either unavailable or far too expensive. So far, I haven’t found the ideal house, but nearly 10 years ago I bought my first condominium and then a second one two years ago. Both apartments are now rented out, currently almost breaking even, and in about a year they will start generating income.
Fortunately, we have now purchased a plot in a new development area and, despite the challenging situation, want to fulfill the dream of owning our own house.
A few details about us:
About the house:
Regarding the budget for the house:
About 570,000 euros remain, we are estimating around 60,000 euros for additional construction-related costs.
Outdoor work will be done gradually by ourselves, a garage could also be postponed.
We therefore need a builder who can construct a house for about 470,000 euros. This is quite ambitious for the desired size. We have had many discussions at model homes, and most providers come in at a minimum of 500,000 euros.
Offer 1:
We have chosen a small regional builder who would construct a shell house in solid construction with Liapor (lightweight concrete). The price is fair for the quality offered and would be sufficient for us. However, we would only have a fixed price for the shell house. The remaining trades would be supervised by this builder but carried out by partner companies, and I believe fixed price guarantees here are unrealistic. Ideally, we would stay within budget, but the buffer would be very tight, and the outdoor areas and garage might initially be at risk or very minimal.
Here is my first question for you: The builder basically suits us, but we are unsure whether it is wise to forgo fixed prices due to war, inflation, and material shortages. While I see some chances for stable or even slightly lower prices due to a slowdown in construction orders, the inflation risk from the energy crisis might still dominate for now. Would you currently take such a risk?
A house potentially costing 1 million euros due to cost increases is really out of budget and, combined with rising interest rates, could become a long-term burden. It wouldn’t ruin us, but we would likely have to sell the (really nice) condominiums then.
Offer 2:
The alternative: A very large provider from a parent company that almost everyone here probably knows. Premium within the group, but overall very much focused on good value for money. Timber frame construction—not our favorite since we prefer solid construction—but based on information from this forum, I would probably be satisfied with this construction method in the end.
We received a good price offer there, close to 400,000 euros. After selecting many extras and special requests, I still ended up at about 450,000 euros. Not all line items are comparable with the first offer, but some things are included here that are not yet priced in the first offer.
With additional construction costs, outdoor work, and a double garage, we are still within the budget and could even spend around 20,000 euros more on selections.
There are positive reviews of this provider but also some very critical comments. Given the large number of houses they build annually, the number of critics may be appropriate in absolute terms, but you could certainly be one of them.
My further questions for you: How do you assess the risk of being let down by such a large provider? Would you choose a builder with a large budget who does not necessarily have a reputation for delivering houses to the highest standard? I do not intend to sell the house again, but future property valuation plays a role in refinancing at follow-up financing. If the house ever needs or should be sold, some buyers might be put off by the construction method or the original general contractor. Has anyone built with this provider or lives in one of their houses?
Floor plan designs are quite advanced and have been optimized multiple times. The development area is ready, and as financing is secured, construction should start soon. The second offer will expire soon, so the main decision now is basically for or against the second offer. With the first offer, it would still be possible to request new comparison offers. If we choose the second provider, we need to decide soon.
Thank you very much for any tips and recommendations. I am happy to provide further information.
First of all, thank you very much for the countless tips and suggestions from all of you. I have been visiting this forum for many years and have always greatly benefited from it.
Accordingly, I would like to give something back by sharing our building project here. However, this is not entirely selfless—I welcome advice and recommendations.
For about 10 years, I have been searching for a house and have viewed many existing properties. Building was initially not an option, as plots were either unavailable or far too expensive. So far, I haven’t found the ideal house, but nearly 10 years ago I bought my first condominium and then a second one two years ago. Both apartments are now rented out, currently almost breaking even, and in about a year they will start generating income.
Fortunately, we have now purchased a plot in a new development area and, despite the challenging situation, want to fulfill the dream of owning our own house.
A few details about us:
- 2 adults (40 years / 38 years), two children (elementary school age)
- Net income including child benefits about 8000 euros
- Rental income of approximately 1800 euros (currently nearly cost-neutral, from next year about 400 euros monthly profit, significantly more in the medium term as loans are gradually paid off)
- Budget 850,000 euros (financing for the house construction is secured)
- Land purchase costs including additional fees about 280,000 euros, already acquired
- The apartments only make sense tax-wise when owned together and are not intended for sale. The budget could probably be increased slightly if necessary.
About the house:
- KfW55 standard is sufficient for us and is also being offered
- Urban villa on a slab foundation with porch, heat pump, photovoltaic system
- Possibly with a small bay window at the front door and on the garden side
- Ground floor with living room, open kitchen, utility room, study, guest toilet/shower
- Upper floor with 2 children’s rooms, master bedroom, 2 bathrooms, guest room
- Ceiling height 2.80 m (9 ft 2 in), electric roller shutters
- Detached double garage
Regarding the budget for the house:
About 570,000 euros remain, we are estimating around 60,000 euros for additional construction-related costs.
Outdoor work will be done gradually by ourselves, a garage could also be postponed.
We therefore need a builder who can construct a house for about 470,000 euros. This is quite ambitious for the desired size. We have had many discussions at model homes, and most providers come in at a minimum of 500,000 euros.
Offer 1:
We have chosen a small regional builder who would construct a shell house in solid construction with Liapor (lightweight concrete). The price is fair for the quality offered and would be sufficient for us. However, we would only have a fixed price for the shell house. The remaining trades would be supervised by this builder but carried out by partner companies, and I believe fixed price guarantees here are unrealistic. Ideally, we would stay within budget, but the buffer would be very tight, and the outdoor areas and garage might initially be at risk or very minimal.
Here is my first question for you: The builder basically suits us, but we are unsure whether it is wise to forgo fixed prices due to war, inflation, and material shortages. While I see some chances for stable or even slightly lower prices due to a slowdown in construction orders, the inflation risk from the energy crisis might still dominate for now. Would you currently take such a risk?
A house potentially costing 1 million euros due to cost increases is really out of budget and, combined with rising interest rates, could become a long-term burden. It wouldn’t ruin us, but we would likely have to sell the (really nice) condominiums then.
Offer 2:
The alternative: A very large provider from a parent company that almost everyone here probably knows. Premium within the group, but overall very much focused on good value for money. Timber frame construction—not our favorite since we prefer solid construction—but based on information from this forum, I would probably be satisfied with this construction method in the end.
We received a good price offer there, close to 400,000 euros. After selecting many extras and special requests, I still ended up at about 450,000 euros. Not all line items are comparable with the first offer, but some things are included here that are not yet priced in the first offer.
With additional construction costs, outdoor work, and a double garage, we are still within the budget and could even spend around 20,000 euros more on selections.
There are positive reviews of this provider but also some very critical comments. Given the large number of houses they build annually, the number of critics may be appropriate in absolute terms, but you could certainly be one of them.
My further questions for you: How do you assess the risk of being let down by such a large provider? Would you choose a builder with a large budget who does not necessarily have a reputation for delivering houses to the highest standard? I do not intend to sell the house again, but future property valuation plays a role in refinancing at follow-up financing. If the house ever needs or should be sold, some buyers might be put off by the construction method or the original general contractor. Has anyone built with this provider or lives in one of their houses?
Floor plan designs are quite advanced and have been optimized multiple times. The development area is ready, and as financing is secured, construction should start soon. The second offer will expire soon, so the main decision now is basically for or against the second offer. With the first offer, it would still be possible to request new comparison offers. If we choose the second provider, we need to decide soon.
Thank you very much for any tips and recommendations. I am happy to provide further information.
D
Dribbdebach14 May 2024 14:49rick2018 schrieb:
Congratulations. So, what did it end up costing?
The garden and so on are still missing.
I don’t understand why anyone would put such an ugly dish on the roof. You can get everything via IPTV anyway…Thank you very much! A few invoices are still outstanding, but we expect to end up at around 3000-3100€ per square meter (about 280-290 USD per square foot). In my view, that’s for a rather high standard (solid construction with Liapor, fully tiled ground floor, underfloor heating in the finished basement, photovoltaic system with storage, probe drilling for geothermal energy, high-end kitchen, 3 bathrooms, etc. But no luxury finishes.)
IPTV annoys me a lot. I’ll be glad when it’s behind me, despite having fiber optic.
There are too many interruptions for me.
Also, the delay is too long, especially with sports.
You get five messages sent to you before you even see what happened.
The dish is better!
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Haus Luni27 May 2024 12:50Hello,
I have gone through the conversation. Very interesting.
I would be interested in seeing your current floor plan. Could you share it?
If I understand correctly, you were not able to stick to your target budget? Initially, you aimed for 2100€ per square meter. How did that happen? Were there trades that ended up being much more expensive?
I have gone through the conversation. Very interesting.
I would be interested in seeing your current floor plan. Could you share it?
If I understand correctly, you were not able to stick to your target budget? Initially, you aimed for 2100€ per square meter. How did that happen? Were there trades that ended up being much more expensive?
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Dribbdebach27 May 2024 13:35Haus Luni schrieb:
Hello,
I’ve gone through the conversation. Very interesting.
I would like to see your current floor plan. Could you share it?
If I understand correctly, you were not able to stick to your target budget? Initially, you aimed for 2100€ per square meter. How did that happen? Were there trades that became much more expensive? I have the current floor plan shared elsewhere; feel free to send me a private message.
Yes, we increased the budget. The biggest change was adding a basement. Because of that, the total area is now about 275 m² (2960 sq ft) since we fully finished the basement as well. Ceiling height is 2.40 m (7 ft 10 in), with underfloor heating and tile/wood flooring like the other levels.
Additionally, we have already implemented geothermal probe drilling for ground source heat and a photovoltaic system.
The earthworks were naturally much more expensive due to the basement.
The interior plastering also cost significantly more than expected, as we assumed fewer steps with the fairly smooth Liapor walls.
Most of the additional costs are due to the increased floor area and various extra custom requests.
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hanghaus202327 May 2024 19:56Dribbdebach schrieb:
I have shared the current floor plan elsewhere; feel free to send me a private message. Private messaging isn’t available here yet, only after 200 posts.
Why don’t you tell us where you have already shared it? If it’s in this forum, linking to it is allowed.
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Dribbdebach27 May 2024 20:02hanghaus2023 schrieb:
Private messages apparently don’t work here. Only available after 200 posts.
Just tell us where you have already shared it. If it’s here in the forum, linking to it is allowed. I have an Instagram account with many pictures. Is it allowed to mention the account here?
Otherwise, I can also find some newer floor plans.
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Dribbdebach27 May 2024 21:05Available on Instagram under: Stadtlandvilla
There are also many photos from the construction phase.
The final floor plans have been posted. We simply omitted the storage room in the basement and did not install a drywall partition there. The windows provide enough light, and we liked the large room.
There are also many photos from the construction phase.
The final floor plans have been posted. We simply omitted the storage room in the basement and did not install a drywall partition there. The windows provide enough light, and we liked the large room.
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