Hello everyone,
We have a few questions regarding our architect, their cost estimate, and their overall approach. We are currently in phase 2; planning the major renovation and a 40% increase in living space for our 1960s house. We have attached the cost calculation we received after 4 weeks of processing, as there are several points we find unclear. We have already discussed this with the architect, who also cannot explain the high costs. The costs seem disproportionately high to us. At the start of the planning, we had budgeted €500,000. How should we approach this? Is it realistic to expect the total to get close to €600,000? In that case, we would have to cut many things that we actually want to keep. Our original goal was to expand the living space and not to completely abandon the extensions and only carry out a major renovation. Does this cost estimate make sense to you? We look forward to your comments.
We have a few questions regarding our architect, their cost estimate, and their overall approach. We are currently in phase 2; planning the major renovation and a 40% increase in living space for our 1960s house. We have attached the cost calculation we received after 4 weeks of processing, as there are several points we find unclear. We have already discussed this with the architect, who also cannot explain the high costs. The costs seem disproportionately high to us. At the start of the planning, we had budgeted €500,000. How should we approach this? Is it realistic to expect the total to get close to €600,000? In that case, we would have to cut many things that we actually want to keep. Our original goal was to expand the living space and not to completely abandon the extensions and only carry out a major renovation. Does this cost estimate make sense to you? We look forward to your comments.
K
Kiefernadel5 May 2024 07:16Good morning, I’m curious to see how this topic develops. The calculations show significant costs.
Since January, we have been renovating our old building from 1952. The cost estimates from the energy consultant, which were confirmed by another independent expert, have so far been considerably higher than the actual quotes we have received.
For example, the estimate for insulating and renewing the facade (about 160 square meters (1,722 square feet)) was just under 80,000, while the offer we received is 54,000. The energy consultant roughly estimated replacing the water pipes at around 20,000 (in conversation, since this is not part of his services), but the current quote is 11,000.
However, it should be noted that we intentionally plan the water pipes efficiently and avoid any fancy extras. We are also using Cedral panels on the facade. So nothing special, as we need to keep an eye on costs.
Of course, all quotes are provisional estimates, and what we will ultimately pay will become clear over the course of the year.
I wish you all the best with your project and hope everything turns out well.
Since January, we have been renovating our old building from 1952. The cost estimates from the energy consultant, which were confirmed by another independent expert, have so far been considerably higher than the actual quotes we have received.
For example, the estimate for insulating and renewing the facade (about 160 square meters (1,722 square feet)) was just under 80,000, while the offer we received is 54,000. The energy consultant roughly estimated replacing the water pipes at around 20,000 (in conversation, since this is not part of his services), but the current quote is 11,000.
However, it should be noted that we intentionally plan the water pipes efficiently and avoid any fancy extras. We are also using Cedral panels on the facade. So nothing special, as we need to keep an eye on costs.
Of course, all quotes are provisional estimates, and what we will ultimately pay will become clear over the course of the year.
I wish you all the best with your project and hope everything turns out well.
What stands out to me are the high costs for plastering, glazing, and the heating system. He should be more specific about what these include. Also, I wonder what locksmith work is necessary for 10,000, and why it costs 11,000 to erect scaffolding. You could easily buy two used ones for that amount and still find someone to set them up.
Of course, this also depends on the region in Germany. But to me, it looks like the architect has never personally awarded a contract and has no experience.
Of course, this also depends on the region in Germany. But to me, it looks like the architect has never personally awarded a contract and has no experience.
Is the architect experienced in the field of renovation?
You should be aware that a full renovation plus an extension is generally more expensive rather than cheaper compared to building a new house. If you’re lucky, the costs might end up similar to those of a new build. It is definitely more complex to dismantle the old structure and then carefully fit everything back together with precise workmanship than to start from scratch on a greenfield site. However, I still find the estimated costs to be too high.
Basically, you can roughly calculate using the new build price. For example, at 170 square meters x 3500 euros, that would be about 600,000 euros (approximately 600,000 USD).
You should be aware that a full renovation plus an extension is generally more expensive rather than cheaper compared to building a new house. If you’re lucky, the costs might end up similar to those of a new build. It is definitely more complex to dismantle the old structure and then carefully fit everything back together with precise workmanship than to start from scratch on a greenfield site. However, I still find the estimated costs to be too high.
Basically, you can roughly calculate using the new build price. For example, at 170 square meters x 3500 euros, that would be about 600,000 euros (approximately 600,000 USD).
Benutzer225 schrieb:
We have already consulted with the architect, and he also cannot explain the high costs. For $93,000, you can expect the gentleman to at least explain his invoice. After all, it is HIS invoice that HE issues to you as the CLIENT. And he is being paid a significant amount for this service. Operating an Excel tool and then saying "sorry, I don't know" is hardly professional behavior for an expert. He should review the details thoroughly and compare them with other renovation projects; for that kind of money, some effort is definitely expected.
Just the heating system alone seems overpriced by about $20,000–$30,000. Somewhere it also mentions geothermal energy, which is more expensive, but that could probably be omitted.
As mentioned here, I would estimate costs around 170sqm (1,830 sq ft) × $3,000–$3,500 = $500,000–$600,000. A new roof structure with a dormer and two extensions does not sound like a budget build, but it likely won’t be much more expensive than a new build. Although, there’s still an additional $100,000 for the architect—what a bargain.
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Dahlbomii5 May 2024 14:55Zaba123 schrieb:
What kind of lunatic is that? €93,000 net for the architect. Is this a joke? A 3 middle and the structural engineer gets a 2 middle, I would find the reasoning behind this interesting.
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