Hello,
we were able to reserve a plot of land (thank you very much for your help!) and would now like to plan a captain’s gable house.
We are quite satisfied with the exterior appearance of the house, the positioning on the plot, and the ground floor, but the upper floor is still causing us some concerns.
Maybe you have some ideas and suggestions for improvement. We would appreciate it!
Here are the key details:
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 1,062 m² (11,430 sq ft)
Slope: none
Site coverage ratio: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 1
Building window, building line, and boundary: 3 m (10 ft)
Edge development: yes
Number of parking spaces: at least 2
Number of floors: 1.5
Roof type: minimum pitch of 30 degrees
Architectural style: /
Orientation: north-south
Maximum heights/limits: max. ridge height: 9 m (30 ft)
Other requirements: parallel alignment to a property boundary
Owner requirements
Style, roof type, building type: captain’s gable house
Basement, floors: no basement
Number of occupants, age: two adults, two children (3 and 5 years); possibly a third child planned
Space requirement on ground and upper floors: approx. 170 m² (1,830 sq ft) total
Office: family use or home office? Home office (3-4 days per week)
Overnight guests per year: none
Open or closed architecture:
Conservative or modern design:
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen, adjacent kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 8 seats with possibility to expand to 16 seats several times a year
Fireplace: no fireplace
Music/stereo wall: /
Balcony, roof terrace: /
Garage, carport: double carport
Utility garden, greenhouse: /
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, preferably with explanations why this or that should or should not be:
- Office needed on ground floor
- Spacious utility room with separate technical room and external access, because we often come home with dirty clothes and don’t want to bring dirt into the entrance area
- Covered entrance
- Fixed staircase to the attic to possibly set up an additional playroom for the children
- Three children’s bedrooms (one of which should serve as an additional office if no third child arrives)
- No separate dressing room
House design
Designed by: Architect
What is particularly liked? Why? Spacious entrance area and utility room, exterior appearance
What is disliked? Why? Dormer not centered; third children’s bedroom much too small; storage room on upper floor unnecessary
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
Personal budget limit for the house, including fittings:
Preferred heating system: heat pump
If you have to give up certain details/extensions
- Can give up: dormer
- Cannot give up: shower on ground floor, utility room, bedrooms, bathtub, walk-in showers
we were able to reserve a plot of land (thank you very much for your help!) and would now like to plan a captain’s gable house.
We are quite satisfied with the exterior appearance of the house, the positioning on the plot, and the ground floor, but the upper floor is still causing us some concerns.
Maybe you have some ideas and suggestions for improvement. We would appreciate it!
Here are the key details:
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 1,062 m² (11,430 sq ft)
Slope: none
Site coverage ratio: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 1
Building window, building line, and boundary: 3 m (10 ft)
Edge development: yes
Number of parking spaces: at least 2
Number of floors: 1.5
Roof type: minimum pitch of 30 degrees
Architectural style: /
Orientation: north-south
Maximum heights/limits: max. ridge height: 9 m (30 ft)
Other requirements: parallel alignment to a property boundary
Owner requirements
Style, roof type, building type: captain’s gable house
Basement, floors: no basement
Number of occupants, age: two adults, two children (3 and 5 years); possibly a third child planned
Space requirement on ground and upper floors: approx. 170 m² (1,830 sq ft) total
Office: family use or home office? Home office (3-4 days per week)
Overnight guests per year: none
Open or closed architecture:
Conservative or modern design:
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen, adjacent kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 8 seats with possibility to expand to 16 seats several times a year
Fireplace: no fireplace
Music/stereo wall: /
Balcony, roof terrace: /
Garage, carport: double carport
Utility garden, greenhouse: /
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, preferably with explanations why this or that should or should not be:
- Office needed on ground floor
- Spacious utility room with separate technical room and external access, because we often come home with dirty clothes and don’t want to bring dirt into the entrance area
- Covered entrance
- Fixed staircase to the attic to possibly set up an additional playroom for the children
- Three children’s bedrooms (one of which should serve as an additional office if no third child arrives)
- No separate dressing room
House design
Designed by: Architect
What is particularly liked? Why? Spacious entrance area and utility room, exterior appearance
What is disliked? Why? Dormer not centered; third children’s bedroom much too small; storage room on upper floor unnecessary
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
Personal budget limit for the house, including fittings:
Preferred heating system: heat pump
If you have to give up certain details/extensions
- Can give up: dormer
- Cannot give up: shower on ground floor, utility room, bedrooms, bathtub, walk-in showers
Hello,
The following points would bother me:
Ground floor:
- No cloakroom – Where do you change clothes, where do coats go? Always into the utility room, even with guests?
- I would position the door to the storage room outside at the carport opposite the door to the garden. Otherwise, you have to walk around the corner every time you come from the garden and want to take something out.
- The door to the guest toilet opens into the circulation area in front of the office. You might occasionally get hit by a door there. I don’t see a reason for the door to open into the hallway.
Upper floor:
- Unnecessarily small third children’s room, which results from an impractical layout probably caused by the fixed staircase to the attic.
- Storage room is hardly usable because a lot of circulation space is also required here and it is narrow.
- The bathroom is huge, more like a ballroom, which does not match the size of the third children’s room.
- An interior corridor without windows is not pleasant. There is no natural light, so you always have to rely on artificial lighting.
I would reduce the bathroom size on the upper floor, enlarge the storage room and convert it into the third children’s room (possibly swapping it with the bedroom if you have a third child), and remove the small extra room. This way you get light in the corridor, a usable room, and can keep the staircase to the upper floor.
Additionally, you could create a reading/play corner with garden views at the top end of the upper-floor corridor.
Best regards
The following points would bother me:
Ground floor:
- No cloakroom – Where do you change clothes, where do coats go? Always into the utility room, even with guests?
- I would position the door to the storage room outside at the carport opposite the door to the garden. Otherwise, you have to walk around the corner every time you come from the garden and want to take something out.
- The door to the guest toilet opens into the circulation area in front of the office. You might occasionally get hit by a door there. I don’t see a reason for the door to open into the hallway.
Upper floor:
- Unnecessarily small third children’s room, which results from an impractical layout probably caused by the fixed staircase to the attic.
- Storage room is hardly usable because a lot of circulation space is also required here and it is narrow.
- The bathroom is huge, more like a ballroom, which does not match the size of the third children’s room.
- An interior corridor without windows is not pleasant. There is no natural light, so you always have to rely on artificial lighting.
I would reduce the bathroom size on the upper floor, enlarge the storage room and convert it into the third children’s room (possibly swapping it with the bedroom if you have a third child), and remove the small extra room. This way you get light in the corridor, a usable room, and can keep the staircase to the upper floor.
Additionally, you could create a reading/play corner with garden views at the top end of the upper-floor corridor.
Best regards
LisaO schrieb:
What do you especially like? Why?: spacious entrance area and utility room, exterior appearance Sorry, but two sides look completely misaligned and unsuitable. So really wrong and hard on the eyes.
If you plan a symmetrical third gable or captain’s gable, you should let go of dreaming about individual floor plans and wall shifts. It’s just not possible. It’s best to think in a grid and make the most of it. That’s the compromise!
Basically, and also possible here: place secondary rooms and garages on the north, south, and west sides to keep the living areas free. Bedrooms are considered more like secondary rooms, while children’s rooms count as regular living spaces.
Therefore, this design is not negotiable for me.
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hanghaus202322 Feb 2024 12:10I am linking to the original post:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/reservierung-eines-grundstuecks.46210/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/reservierung-eines-grundstuecks.46210/
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hanghaus202322 Feb 2024 12:29Is the traditional style actually required?
In the other post, the zoning plan refers to the text version. Do you have that as well?
I’m not very familiar with floor plans, but you might want to reconsider the sill height of the kitchen window. Or are you building for wheelchair users?
Putting a bay window on the upper floor to accommodate the bathroom? Next to it, a huge storage room? The bathroom could probably go there instead.
You can orient the house like that if you’re sure no house will be built to the south.
In the other post, the zoning plan refers to the text version. Do you have that as well?
I’m not very familiar with floor plans, but you might want to reconsider the sill height of the kitchen window. Or are you building for wheelchair users?
Putting a bay window on the upper floor to accommodate the bathroom? Next to it, a huge storage room? The bathroom could probably go there instead.
You can orient the house like that if you’re sure no house will be built to the south.
I was just pleased that the planner is not ignorant about octameters when I read this:
A captain’s house always means one-and-a-half stories (and therefore uneven load distribution with the center of gravity on the ground floor). If the room program for the upper floor would actually require a full upper story, something will have to be shifted to the ground floor (in this case, for example, the "storage room"), if the captain’s house design is going to be decisive.
By the way, also read my post "Lightweight walls in solid houses?". At least as a standard, I would not build masonry on the upper floor.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
LisaO schrieb:This is – as I have repeatedly explained (including in "The Upper Floor Takes Priority") – no more certain than saying "Amen" in church, a consequence of starting with the ground floor (and/or ...)
We are quite satisfied with the exterior appearance of the house, the placement on the plot, and the ground floor, but the upper floor still concerns us.
LisaO schrieb:... the choice of the "wrong" building concept.
and now want to plan a captain’s gable house.
A captain’s house always means one-and-a-half stories (and therefore uneven load distribution with the center of gravity on the ground floor). If the room program for the upper floor would actually require a full upper story, something will have to be shifted to the ground floor (in this case, for example, the "storage room"), if the captain’s house design is going to be decisive.
LisaO schrieb:I have surely already mentioned that symmetry is not a value in itself and often a burden for house design.
What don’t you like? Why?: Dormer not centered; [...]
LisaO schrieb:If an unnecessary room does not compensate for a missing room, something is wrong before the comma.
third child’s bedroom much too small, storage room on the upper floor not necessary
ypg schrieb:At first, I wanted to make fun of the choice of words, but after examining the corpus delicti, I might rather award a poetry prize for it.
Sorry, but two sides look completely distorted and out of place. Like really wrong and painful to the eye.
SoL schrieb:This quick stop is regularly skipped in 3D and VR.
No cloakroom – where do you get changed, where do jackets go?
SoL schrieb:Overall, the design does not feel freshly made but rather tinkered from a catalog house (similar to how one twists a “dog” from a single long balloon).
That comes from the impractical layout, probably due to the fixed staircase to the upper floor.
By the way, also read my post "Lightweight walls in solid houses?". At least as a standard, I would not build masonry on the upper floor.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/