Hello,
We have been looking for a plot of land in the greater Nuremberg area for quite some time. During our search, we came across the land services or land brokerage offered by various (prefabricated) home builders.
I have read in several threads that these services, which are tied to house contracts, can be very problematic. My question is whether anyone has had success with these services—in other words, has anyone really found a good plot at a reasonable price that they couldn’t have found themselves online?
We have been looking for a plot of land in the greater Nuremberg area for quite some time. During our search, we came across the land services or land brokerage offered by various (prefabricated) home builders.
I have read in several threads that these services, which are tied to house contracts, can be very problematic. My question is whether anyone has had success with these services—in other words, has anyone really found a good plot at a reasonable price that they couldn’t have found themselves online?
Ötzi Ötztaler schrieb:
Well, the whole allocation process would be null and void in case of doubt. But probably without effects on third parties: the property recipients will not have to return the plots, meaning that once the last one is gone, there are no more left for the plaintiff. Trying to provisionally halt the allocation during the pendency of the lawsuit is like tilting at windmills on another level.
Ötzi Ötztaler schrieb:
I don’t know how it looks regarding compensation claims. In my opinion, this civil law issue is unlikely to be integrated into the administrative court proceedings. That would mean another legal step, which could hardly start before the first one is concluded.
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Hello, I wanted to join this discussion as well. Please forgive me for bringing up this thread again. Sorry!
Last week, we visited the model home exhibitions at Allkauf Haus, Living Haus, and Bien-Zenker. We don’t have a plot of land yet and haven’t found anything so far on Immoscout or classified ads. Allkauf Haus told us that they have contact with local authorities and development companies and can quickly find plots of land. We asked directly if there are any costs if we decide to cancel the contract. Their answer was, “No!” Allegedly, we can withdraw at any time or say that we don’t like a plot of land. We don’t have to take a plot. It seems like the DFH scandal is no longer an issue with Allkauf Haus!?
Bien-Zenker told us the same thing, but their land search is more local. One person actually goes on site to look for building gaps and asks neighbors.
Personally, we found Allkauf Haus a bit more reliable during the conversation because, for example, they can shift exterior walls in 30cm (12-inch) increments. Other companies apparently can’t do that!
What is your impression: is the issue with speculative sales or fraud in the land services still a problem with the companies mentioned above?
We can’t really assess the risk and hope that the land search process with the companies mentioned is simply better.
Last week, we visited the model home exhibitions at Allkauf Haus, Living Haus, and Bien-Zenker. We don’t have a plot of land yet and haven’t found anything so far on Immoscout or classified ads. Allkauf Haus told us that they have contact with local authorities and development companies and can quickly find plots of land. We asked directly if there are any costs if we decide to cancel the contract. Their answer was, “No!” Allegedly, we can withdraw at any time or say that we don’t like a plot of land. We don’t have to take a plot. It seems like the DFH scandal is no longer an issue with Allkauf Haus!?
Bien-Zenker told us the same thing, but their land search is more local. One person actually goes on site to look for building gaps and asks neighbors.
Personally, we found Allkauf Haus a bit more reliable during the conversation because, for example, they can shift exterior walls in 30cm (12-inch) increments. Other companies apparently can’t do that!
What is your impression: is the issue with speculative sales or fraud in the land services still a problem with the companies mentioned above?
We can’t really assess the risk and hope that the land search process with the companies mentioned is simply better.
Hello,
here’s a simple test:
Ask if you can get that in WRITING from them... especially the part about "no costs" and that you can withdraw under any circumstances and at any time.
Good luck,
Andreas
here’s a simple test:
ElfeFFM schrieb:
We asked directly if there are any costs involved in canceling the contract. The answer: "No!". Apparently, we can withdraw at any time or say that we are not satisfied with a plot of land. We are not obliged to take a plot.
Ask if you can get that in WRITING from them... especially the part about "no costs" and that you can withdraw under any circumstances and at any time.
Good luck,
Andreas
ElfeFFM schrieb:
What is your impression: is the issue with short sales or fraud related to land services still a problem with the companies mentioned above? EVERYTHING you find here on the keywords "11ant short sale" or "land service" remains relevant for as long as it can be used to attract people (which you can see yourselves). This has been, is, and will never be an issue limited only to the companies named or unnamed.
ElfeFFM schrieb:
We really can’t assess the risk and hope that the process of searching for land with the aforementioned companies is simply better. Better estimate your own chances rather than assume they are lower—scammers are human too. Not only does the scam remain relevant, but the "11ant Barthel tips" do as well. With those, you can do it yourself too, without any tricks or hidden catches.
Tolentino schrieb:
If you can cancel anyway, then you wouldn’t even need a contract, right? Exactly, that’s how it is.
ElfeFFM schrieb:
We don’t have to take a plot of land. Not least because they don’t actually have any. How the scam works and why they cannot and must not sell any plots is explained in detail here (see the mentioned forum search terms).
ElfeFFM schrieb:
Last week we visited the show home exhibitions of Allkauf Haus, Living Haus, and Bien-Zenker. What exactly do you want from them? – Allkauf Haus and Living Haus can be compared to each other—and Massa Haus would belong in that group too—but Bien-Zenker doesn’t really fit here, as there’s a significant difference in labor costs between them. Either you’re looking for a shell house (shell condition) or want it fully move-in ready. I would also advise against deciding on a specific construction method right now.
ElfeFFM schrieb:
We don’t have a plot yet ourselves and currently find nothing on Immoscout or classifieds either. I’ve already written a lot here about portals and why it’s better to buy off-market.
It’s best if you start your own thread here where you introduce yourselves and describe your circumstances, requirements, and wishes. Then you will surely get some help. Please start with the completed questionnaire https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundriss-planung-unbedingt-vor-beitrag-erstellung-lesen.11714/ (please skip the questions that remain unanswered due to the missing plot).
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