ᐅ Should the underground cable to the garden be additionally protected?

Created on: 29 Jun 2023 12:55
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Fleckenzwerg
Hello Forum,

We have a 5x2.5mm (approx. 5x0.01 inch²) underground cable running from the house wall to the garden. Before I consider how and where to lay or distribute this cable, I’m wondering if a separate circuit breaker and residual current device (RCD) are useful or even necessary. Actually, “separate” isn’t quite correct since the cable branches off from the living room circuit. It’s not ideal, but that’s how it is now – I didn’t account for this during the house construction. The living room circuit is protected by its own 16A circuit breaker as well as an RCD with a 30mA trip threshold. So if there were an uncontrolled current flow in the garden, only the living room (and a few other areas connected to the same RCD) would lose power. The heating and other rooms are separately protected by different RCDs.

Since the RCD in the living room should quickly detect fault currents in any garden electrical installation, my question is: would a portable RCD device installed outdoors between the supply cable and the garden distribution actually provide any benefit, apart from possibly keeping the living room powered in case of a fault?

From my understanding, a circuit breaker at this point would only be of limited use. With the same trip threshold as the main panel breaker – 16A – there is no guarantee the garden breaker would trip without simultaneously tripping the upstream breaker in the main panel. Following this logic, only a circuit breaker with a lower rating, for example 10A, would make sense here.

In short: does having a downstream RCD and/or circuit breaker in the garden provide any tangible increase in safety?

A related question is where to install these protective devices. Practically, only a weatherproof box suitable for damp locations, mounted at ground level, seems feasible. I’m not sure if such a box exists or is even permitted.
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RotorMotor
29 Jun 2023 21:30
Fleckenzwerg schrieb:

First of all, it’s about ensuring personal safety for the garden installation through circuit breakers and RCDs (residual current devices) in the main distribution board.

This must already be guaranteed!
Fleckenzwerg schrieb:

In the event of a fault, avoiding a blackout in the living room would be more of a nice-to-have.

Then you don’t need to make any changes.
Fleckenzwerg schrieb:

A circuit breaker in the garden would at least allow disconnecting the garden from power during troubleshooting without cutting power to the living room at the same time.

That doesn’t really help.
A circuit breaker only switches the live conductor, but the RCD trips also in case of currents between neutral and protective earth.
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Fleckenzwerg
29 Jun 2023 21:33
Okay, what kind of switching device can I install in the garden that allows me to safely troubleshoot in the garden while the power remains available in the living room and the rest of the house?
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xMisterDx
29 Jun 2023 21:34
That’s why a 10mA residual current device (RCD) is installed, so the upstream 30mA RCD usually won’t trip.
But if it’s just a nice-to-have feature, better to skip it.

Selective coordination wasn’t covered in training, you have to forgive Rotormotor.
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Fleckenzwerg
29 Jun 2023 21:43
Well, it would definitely be nice to be able to completely separate the garden. If something buried in the ground shorts out and I can only fix it after a few hours or days, and the TV and other devices aren’t running in the meantime, several family members will eventually go stir crazy here 😉. This kind of thing might also happen during frost or other conditions...
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RotorMotor
29 Jun 2023 22:02
xMisterDx schrieb:

That’s why a 10mA RCD is installed; then usually the upstream 30mA RCD won’t trip.
But if it’s just a nice-to-have, better to skip it.

Selectivity wasn’t covered during training, you have to forgive RotorMotor.
Oh boy, talking all high and mighty without knowing what you’re talking about is really something.

So, putting a 10mA RCD behind a 30mA RCD and at the same time talking about selectivity… What nonsense…
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Fleckenzwerg
30 Jun 2023 08:16
So the 30mA RCD in the distribution board could also trip? That would actually be fine for me, because I can try to reset it first. If it stays on along with all the circuit breakers in the meter cabinet, then there is a problem in the garden installation, and I can safely start looking there. Or am I missing something?