ᐅ Single-family house floor plan approximately 165 m² plus basement
Created on: 30 Aug 2022 21:16
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Gregor_K
Hello everyone,
My wife and I purchased a plot of land last year and are now ready to start the construction project. Over the past few weeks, I have spoken with four general contractors and gathered quotes. In the coming weeks, I plan to choose one general contractor; at the moment, two are in the final running. Several floor plans have been developed, and I have posted the one we like best here. The floor plan currently does not include furniture, but once we decide on a contractor, I will finalize it with the contractor/architect unless a better plan comes up.
Of the two general contractors we are considering, one offers a planning contract for service phases HOAI 1-4. The other does not provide this, so we will need to hire a separate architect (HOAI 1-3).
Having followed various discussions in this forum for a while, I would appreciate your feedback on the floor plan. This is our first build; my knowledge so far comes from seminars by the Builders’ Protection Association and this housebuilding forum.
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot No. 194
Plot size: 680m² (7,300 sq ft)
Slope: yes, descending about 1 to 1.5m (3 to 5 feet) from the access road
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: N/A
Building envelope, building line and boundary: see blue line on the development plan; approximately 12.95m x 20m (42.5 ft x 66 ft)
Setback from boundary: 3m (10 feet)
Parking spaces: 1 to 2
Maximum building height: 2 full floors
Roof style: no specification in the development plan
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Single-family house, gabled roof with purlins if possible
Basement, floors: 2 full floors plus basement
Number of occupants: 5 people, 2 adults and 3 children
Office: Home office room
Occasional guests: none or at most 1 to 2 per year
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Yes, open kitchen, but kitchen island not absolutely necessary
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Balcony, roof terrace: not required
Garage, carport: Single garage to be located on the east side, plus at least 2 additional parking spaces on the northwest side of the property
House Design
Designer:
- Design by a prefabricated house supplier
What do you particularly like? Why?
We like the appearance of the house with the bay window; it looks stylish to us. Overall, it includes everything we need, such as a pantry, a relatively spacious dining area combined with the living room, 3 children’s rooms, and an office.
What do you dislike? Why?
The staircase could be positioned further from the entrance, but this is acceptable. The bathroom design still looks unfinished.
Price estimate according to architect/designer: €620,000 without ancillary building costs (no price negotiation)
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings: €650,000 without ancillary building costs
If you had to give up certain details/extra features,
- what you could do without: Items we can omit have already been removed, e.g., walk-in closet and storage room
- what you cannot do without: 3 children’s rooms, pantry, office, landing staircase, basement
Why is the design as it is now? For example:
Design from the planner following these specifications:
- 2 full floors or 1.5 floors with a high knee wall (e.g., 180cm (70.9 inches))
- Flexible roof type; we like a gabled roof with purlins or alternatively a hip roof or flat roof
- Ground floor plus upper floor should be between 165m² and 175m² (1,776 to 1,884 sq ft)
- open kitchen + living room + dining area
- guest bathroom with shower
- entrance area should be usable for 5 people (space for shoe cabinets)
- pantry
- office room that can later be used as a bedroom in older age
- dining area close to the kitchen
- kitchen and dining area should be near the terrace
- 3 children’s rooms (2 rooms at least 15m² (161 sq ft), 1 room at least 12m² (129 sq ft))
- master bedroom with or without walk-in closet, depending on what fits better into the floor plan
- optional laundry chute would be great but not essential
- preferably no separate children’s bathroom
- bathroom at least 10m² (108 sq ft), better if 12 to 14m² (129 to 151 sq ft), depending on the layout
- staircase should not be located in the entrance’s dirt zone. A comfortable staircase would be great; ideally a landing staircase
- space for a single garage on the plot, i.e., no double garage
- access from the garage to the pantry would be nice but not essential
- no gallery
- no conservatory/glass extension
- covered access from garage to front door is not absolutely necessary
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Can the staircase be placed further away from the entrance? What do you think about making windows in the bathroom, master bedroom, and office narrower (window sill height)? Are the basement windows well positioned, especially those near the terrace?
My wife and I purchased a plot of land last year and are now ready to start the construction project. Over the past few weeks, I have spoken with four general contractors and gathered quotes. In the coming weeks, I plan to choose one general contractor; at the moment, two are in the final running. Several floor plans have been developed, and I have posted the one we like best here. The floor plan currently does not include furniture, but once we decide on a contractor, I will finalize it with the contractor/architect unless a better plan comes up.
Of the two general contractors we are considering, one offers a planning contract for service phases HOAI 1-4. The other does not provide this, so we will need to hire a separate architect (HOAI 1-3).
Having followed various discussions in this forum for a while, I would appreciate your feedback on the floor plan. This is our first build; my knowledge so far comes from seminars by the Builders’ Protection Association and this housebuilding forum.
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot No. 194
Plot size: 680m² (7,300 sq ft)
Slope: yes, descending about 1 to 1.5m (3 to 5 feet) from the access road
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: N/A
Building envelope, building line and boundary: see blue line on the development plan; approximately 12.95m x 20m (42.5 ft x 66 ft)
Setback from boundary: 3m (10 feet)
Parking spaces: 1 to 2
Maximum building height: 2 full floors
Roof style: no specification in the development plan
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Single-family house, gabled roof with purlins if possible
Basement, floors: 2 full floors plus basement
Number of occupants: 5 people, 2 adults and 3 children
Office: Home office room
Occasional guests: none or at most 1 to 2 per year
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Yes, open kitchen, but kitchen island not absolutely necessary
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Balcony, roof terrace: not required
Garage, carport: Single garage to be located on the east side, plus at least 2 additional parking spaces on the northwest side of the property
House Design
Designer:
- Design by a prefabricated house supplier
What do you particularly like? Why?
We like the appearance of the house with the bay window; it looks stylish to us. Overall, it includes everything we need, such as a pantry, a relatively spacious dining area combined with the living room, 3 children’s rooms, and an office.
What do you dislike? Why?
The staircase could be positioned further from the entrance, but this is acceptable. The bathroom design still looks unfinished.
Price estimate according to architect/designer: €620,000 without ancillary building costs (no price negotiation)
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings: €650,000 without ancillary building costs
If you had to give up certain details/extra features,
- what you could do without: Items we can omit have already been removed, e.g., walk-in closet and storage room
- what you cannot do without: 3 children’s rooms, pantry, office, landing staircase, basement
Why is the design as it is now? For example:
Design from the planner following these specifications:
- House with basement:
- 2 full floors or 1.5 floors with a high knee wall (e.g., 180cm (70.9 inches))
- Flexible roof type; we like a gabled roof with purlins or alternatively a hip roof or flat roof
- Ground floor plus upper floor should be between 165m² and 175m² (1,776 to 1,884 sq ft)
- Ground floor:
- open kitchen + living room + dining area
- guest bathroom with shower
- entrance area should be usable for 5 people (space for shoe cabinets)
- pantry
- office room that can later be used as a bedroom in older age
- dining area close to the kitchen
- kitchen and dining area should be near the terrace
- Upper floor:
- 3 children’s rooms (2 rooms at least 15m² (161 sq ft), 1 room at least 12m² (129 sq ft))
- master bedroom with or without walk-in closet, depending on what fits better into the floor plan
- optional laundry chute would be great but not essential
- preferably no separate children’s bathroom
- bathroom at least 10m² (108 sq ft), better if 12 to 14m² (129 to 151 sq ft), depending on the layout
- General:
- staircase should not be located in the entrance’s dirt zone. A comfortable staircase would be great; ideally a landing staircase
- space for a single garage on the plot, i.e., no double garage
- access from the garage to the pantry would be nice but not essential
- no gallery
- no conservatory/glass extension
- covered access from garage to front door is not absolutely necessary
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Can the staircase be placed further away from the entrance? What do you think about making windows in the bathroom, master bedroom, and office narrower (window sill height)? Are the basement windows well positioned, especially those near the terrace?
The kitchen front width there is 80cm (31.5 inches) as a passage. The actual clear opening through the wall will probably only be about 76cm (30 inches). The kitchen specialist should show the exact details. Personally, I don’t think the kitchen layout is ideal yet, but I’m also definitely not a fan of these hidden passages. What is the situation like when the door is open?
Gregor_K schrieb:
1. The kitchen planner told me that the optimal door width for the access from the kitchen to the pantry is 80cm (31.5 inches) with a distance of 65cm (25.6 inches) from the wall. This way, the kitchen cabinet fits perfectly with the door opening. I discussed with the general contractor that it might be better to use the next suitable rough opening size for a standard-compliant door. That would be 76cm (30 inches) and has the advantage that you can still install a standard door later on. Would you choose that as well or should I go with 80cm (31.5 inches)? I don’t see a standard interior door frame size being practical here; I would rather choose 88.5cm (34.8 inches) instead of 76cm (30 inches). By the way, I already wrote about this recently:
11ant schrieb:
For beverages in PET bottles, an 80cm (31.5 inches) narrow pantry passage might be sufficient. But when dealing with crates of glass bottles, which require more force and less precise maneuvering, order robust edge protectors accordingly. .
Gregor_K schrieb:
2. The terrace exit in the kitchen currently has a regular door. I am considering whether it would be better to install a lift-and-slide door instead. Even without a lift-and-slide door, the door can be opened, but the traffic flow would be blocked. With that width, opting for a lift-and-slide door would be pointless, and the exits from the open-plan living area are already more than sufficient.
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I wanted to give you a brief update. Unfortunately, the financing process took longer than expected. However, we were successful and now have financing that is already registered in the land registry. The building authority has reviewed the construction documents and provided some feedback, which I found very useful. This also took quite some time because the building authority had planned an extended holiday.
But now we are moving forward. In the coming weeks, we plan to sign the construction contract.
I think you’re right, but I will discuss this again with the kitchen installer.
But now we are moving forward. In the coming weeks, we plan to sign the construction contract.
11ant schrieb:
I don’t see a standard-width interior door (frame) as practical here; better to choose 88.5cm (35 inches) instead of 76cm (30 inches). By the way, I mentioned this recently already.
I think you’re right, but I will discuss this again with the kitchen installer.
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xMisterDx22 May 2023 22:20What exactly prompts someone to choose an 88.5 cm (35 inches) wide door for a pantry instead of 76 cm (30 inches)? Is it a commercial kitchen where half pigs, whole cattle, or numerous refrigerators need to be carried in and out daily?
Especially since every centimeter of door width in this tiny pantry takes away valuable space for shelf depth. Or are you planning to have the door open towards the kitchen?
I would rather consider a 60 cm (24 inches) door. It’s a pantry, not a front door. Storage space should take priority over convenience here...
Especially since every centimeter of door width in this tiny pantry takes away valuable space for shelf depth. Or are you planning to have the door open towards the kitchen?
I would rather consider a 60 cm (24 inches) door. It’s a pantry, not a front door. Storage space should take priority over convenience here...
I am currently considering two things and would appreciate your feedback. I have attached the house plan again, this time without the basement. Don’t worry, the basement will remain!
1. Bedroom windows on the north side. There are three options: “Option_1,” “Option_2,” and the current design (see “Nord OST Ansicht.png”). Which would you choose? See the red circle.
2. The floor-to-ceiling window in the living room area, behind the sofa, is actually unnecessary. What do you think about replacing it with a standard window? It has also been noted that the open-plan space already has more than enough redundant exits. See the red circle in “Süd und West.png.”
1. Bedroom windows on the north side. There are three options: “Option_1,” “Option_2,” and the current design (see “Nord OST Ansicht.png”). Which would you choose? See the red circle.
2. The floor-to-ceiling window in the living room area, behind the sofa, is actually unnecessary. What do you think about replacing it with a standard window? It has also been noted that the open-plan space already has more than enough redundant exits. See the red circle in “Süd und West.png.”
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xMisterDx22 May 2023 22:29Just reading the stuff about PET bottles... if you don’t have enough strength anymore to carry a beer crate safely through a 76cm (30 inch) or 60cm (24 inch) door, it’s probably time to stop drinking beer.
You can only shake your head... have we really become so weak that we need extra-wide doors just to get a crate of glass bottles into the house?
You can only shake your head... have we really become so weak that we need extra-wide doors just to get a crate of glass bottles into the house?
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