ᐅ Kitchen Planning for New Single-Family Home Construction – Initial Quote from Nolte

ypg schrieb:

Also, the interior fittings make up a large part of the cost. I assume many cabinets have no internal fittings, and only the specifically mentioned lazy Susan is included?

That's true! Make sure you have plenty of pull-out drawers and that they’re not too tall. This greatly improves usability, though it also increases the price.

Dachshund90 schrieb:

What should be in the corner instead of the lazy Susan? We actually found that quite practical.

Most of the time, "nothing" (dead corner) is the most practical solution. The lazy Susan takes up space on both sides of the corner. If you had wide pull-outs on either side, you would gain more storage space and better usability. Are there any good pictures or videos explaining these solutions?

Dachshund90 schrieb:

We feel it looks a bit cramped when there’s a long, rather narrow passageway on both sides of the island. Don’t you think?

I’m not sure at what design stage you are or if all walls are fixed. It could indeed be tight, but in that case it’s not really a passageway since the island is only about one meter high. There are good examples in specialized forums. In any case, it definitely makes sense to focus on this intensively now. In the end, a water connection in an inconvenient spot or missing 10cm (4 inches) at any end can completely rule out an alternative plan.

ypg schrieb:

What exactly are sliding cabinets and folding cabinets? Do you mean drawers and (regular) cabinets?
What do you mean here by: partly?

Hello ypg,
I don’t remember all the details anymore, unfortunately we couldn’t take anything with us. From what I recall, the wall cabinets had regular doors, the base cabinets under the window also had regular doors, and the remaining cabinets in the island and below the wall cabinets were designed as sliding cabinets. There was also a fold-up flap for the microwave above the oven.

ypg schrieb:

Mine is not with the connected island, but I guess that doesn’t really matter.

That’s definitely a matter of personal taste, but what would yours be?

ypg schrieb:

Not much can be seen! You can see that there’s no space for the side-by-side fridge now because the right side of the layout is longer.
It’s unclear where the stove will go and where the appliances are placed.

A side-by-side fridge is not included in the offer. That is just a kitchen proposal shown in the architect’s floor plan. The fridge and freezer are located in the lower tall cabinet on the right side. Above that is the oven, and above that the cabinet for the microwave. The cooktop is accessible from above, positioned in the center of the island.

ypg schrieb:

You also don’t know the widths of the drawers or how they fit with the cabinets.
That’s what matters most. Also, the interior fittings make up a large part of the cost. I assume many cabinets don’t have any interior fittings except for the explicitly mentioned lazy Susan?

I don’t have the details anymore. However, it looked very tidy. Under the window were two wide cabinets, to the right of the sink was the narrow towel holder, then the corner cabinet with the lazy Susan. Below that again two wide cabinets up to the tall cabinet.
Cutlery trays were included, as was the towel holder. What else would be missing in terms of interior fittings?

ypg schrieb:

I would try drawing the individual cabinets on a kitchen grid (larger scale, squares for 10 or 20cm (4 or 8 inches)) and specify the use of each cabinet and drawer.

I’ll try that later.

ypg schrieb:

What are sliding cabinets and folding cabinets? Do you mean drawers and (regular) cabinets?

Exactly, one door that is hinged on the side. And alternatively, the version that slides out into the room.

Dachshund90 schrieb:

As mentioned above, unfortunately we didn’t receive any more information about the appliances...
What is supposed to replace the corner carousel? We actually found it quite practical.

Using a corner carousel means losing space on both sides that could be used for full-depth cabinets with pull-out drawers.
The last time I had a carousel was in my IKEA kitchen; in both kitchen designs from the studio, the consultant always planned a blind corner cabinet without us even having to mention it. If they had asked, I would have requested it that way.
Corner carousels or corner cabinets are generally impractical for daily use. Carousels are frustrating because the constant spinning gets tiresome quickly, and items can shift or fall if you turn them too fast. Regular corner cabinets (which we currently have in our temporary home due to limited space) are extremely inconvenient. Trying to retrieve something from the very back corner can be really frustrating.

As I see it, the sink is positioned at the top, with only cabinets and wall cabinets along the right wall, and the stove and refrigerator placed at the end. The distance between the sink and the stove/refrigerator seems far too long for me. For example, when draining pasta or quickly washing a cucumber, everything should be much closer together. Perhaps the refrigerator and tall cabinet (meaning a full-height cabinet, not a wall cabinet) could be placed at the top left (assuming your drawing is on graph paper), then the sink, and the stove on the right wall? Where the stove and refrigerator are currently located, you would even have space for two tall cabinets if you need them.

Another issue with the current layout is that if someone is standing at the stove for a longer time, it’s hard to easily pass by to access the kitchen.

I also really like the deep island; it’s ideal for baking.

Pacmansh schrieb:

Most of the time, “nothing” (dead corner) is actually the most sensible solution. Using a corner carousel takes up space on both sides of the corner. If you had wide pull-out drawers on each side instead, you would get more storage and better usability. Are there any good pictures or videos explaining these solutions?

So the actual “corner space” is somehow wasted and not accessible?

Pacmansh schrieb:

I’m not sure what stage your design is at, or if all the walls are fixed yet. It could be tight, but it’s not a walkway either because the island is only about one meter high (3 feet). There are good examples in related specialist forums. It definitely makes a lot of sense to focus on this intensively now.

That’s why we are still working on it now. Moving a window or door wouldn’t be a problem if wall changes are still possible through the architect. Basically, with the L-shape and the island, we have more storage and more kitchen space than with one long wall and a large island – or is that just an impression?

kati1337 schrieb:

A corner carousel wastes space on both sides that could be used for full-depth cabinets with pull-outs.
The last time I had a carousel was in my IKEA kitchen; for both kitchens from the studio, the advisor always planned a dead corner without us even discussing it. If they had asked, that’s what I would have requested.
These carousel or corner cabinets are just impractical for daily use. Carousels are annoying because you quickly get tired of turning them, and things can shift if you turn too fast. Regular corner cabinets (which we currently have in our temporary home due to urgent space shortage) are also very inconvenient. When you need to fish something out from the very back, it drives you crazy.

Okay, understood. We’ll give that some thought. At first, we were glad to utilize the space, even if a corner carousel is not ideal. At least you can store items there that you don’t need every day.