ᐅ Installation of a Gas Heating System in New Construction 2023/2024

xMisterDx schrieb:

Well Schorsch, the ideas of work-life balance, a four-day workweek, and "reaching your limits" all sound great.

The problem is, we don’t live on this planet alone, and neither Americans, Chinese, Indians, nor Brazilians are following these ideas.
Whether we like it or not, we are in competition with them.

It’s normal in affluent, saturated societies that the "hunger" lessens and people question why they should work more.
However, in the coming decades, we will likely see that we will have to work more again to maintain less wealth.

Because others work 60 hours a week, while we just think about 30. Right in the middle of a skilled labor shortage.
That cannot work.

Snowy36 schrieb:

Honestly, I find you really amusing. Have you ever thought about what would happen if everyone worked like you? Then, if you break your leg, you go to the hospital, and the sign says: sorry, work-life balance.

Okay, I actually didn’t want to comment on this thread anymore, and it was probably pointless to even respond to this nonsense — but I have enough doctors and nurses in my family and friend circle, many of whom have left for related fields in recent years because the working hours were no longer compatible with a life outside work. My best friend from school moved to Norway as a doctor. He’d rather have bad weather in Bergen than shifts in a German hospital. And yes, this was long before COVID. Yet as long as we watch money in the healthcare system disappear elsewhere… well, have at it.

It almost feels like everyone is expected to sacrifice themselves for the national economy here. As if only export champions or BPI from Haiti exist.

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Snowy36 schrieb:

Honestly, you really amuse me. Have you ever thought about what would happen if everyone worked like you? Then you'd be at the hospital with a broken leg, and the sign would say: sorry, work-life balance.

That’s exactly what happens when the conditions aren’t created to allow enough people to work as nurses/doctors willingly. Whether it’s about salary, work-life balance, reducing bureaucracy in the job, or any combination of these three. Nobody does it otherwise because “the system” wouldn’t function. That’s just how a labor market works when labor is scarce.
And a labor market where labor isn’t scarce has, as a downside, a standing army of unemployed people in the background. Does anyone want that? Is that prosperity?

And what exactly does “working like you” mean?
I work more than 40 hours/week. Because right now I want the money that comes with it. And because I find the work with kids/young people meaningful.

Could we afford it if I wanted to apply for part-time work? Yes.
Can anyone forbid it because otherwise care/education would collapse? No. Same principle as above.

Apart from that, I can still create added value for society in unpaid areas, but only if I have free time for it. Listen carefully: genuine added value, even if unpaid. That exists, but does not appear in economics textbooks. I have done that for years as a volunteer. That’s why your dismissive comment about volunteering directed at @Schorsch_baut, which seemed to place paid work automatically above unpaid work, bothered me a lot.

Snowy36 schrieb:

To me, it leaves a bad taste having to analyze Luisa Neubauer. Nobody discusses an essay by an AfD member either, right?

If critical analysis is allowed (and that’s basically the only option), and as long as a certain methodology of analysis must be followed, it actually doesn’t matter who or what is being analyzed. I don’t know the essay or its content – it’s really about the what, not about the who.

I also find it surprising that anyone is shocked by the fact that loyalty to employers is no longer unlimited, which brings me back to my question about age. This all sounds very much like "grandpa telling war stories."

My generation and younger ones are not naive; we have seen that employer loyalty isn’t the same as it was for our grandparents or parents. My father was laid off during one of the first major rounds of mass layoffs in the banking sector. My mother was let go as a draftsman in construction in her mid-50s because no one wanted to invest in her further training. So far, I have been spared layoffs thanks to working in the public sector, but I know enough friends whose life plans and career paths have been disrupted by dismissals following company takeovers or insolvencies.

Who am I supposed to work myself to the bone for until 67? For the people and Volkswagen, or rather, pardon me, the fatherland? We must not repeat the same mistakes. I am not a drone. The moral outrage over rejecting a completely unhealthy lifestyle doesn’t just fade away for me. Maybe it’s time for some reflection instead of badmouthing the younger generation.

And by the way, just because AI wasn’t invented here doesn’t mean it can’t be used economically. Office software didn’t come from Germany either, yet it’s familiar to 90% of people under 70.

xMisterDx schrieb:

Oh, come on, younger generation. Reemtsma Carla once appeared on Precht’s show and was asked whether the younger generation would be willing to make sacrifices… for example, regarding the internet and especially streaming.

She hesitated, saying, “Well, uh, cars!!! And heating!!! And airplanes!!!”
But then she had to admit that young people probably won’t give anything up.

Emissions from the internet, streaming, and from transportation, air travel, and heating are simply not comparable. What a strawman argument.
Air travel by those kinds of people is obviously the dumbest thing you can do. It was rightly criticized heavily in the media. Raising a finger and not fitting on a long-haul flight yourself doesn’t help either.

In politics class, speeches and texts from all viewpoints are naturally examined, ranging from far-left to far-right. This is to learn how to handle and categorize them. The question is, where is the scandal if such a text appears on the final exam? It’s about rhetorical devices, pros and cons discussions, and the culture of debate, not about the student’s personal opinion or the conclusion they reach. You would know this if you were more familiar with the subject instead of just listening to sensational headlines about politics lessons. And if some people here had attended these classes for longer, we wouldn’t have to read so much misleading nonsense and could perhaps calmly discuss the technical, economic, and environmental aspects of gas versus heat pumps.

Schorsch_baut schrieb:

I also find it surprising that anyone is shocked by the fact that loyalty to employers is no longer unlimited, which brings me back to my question about age. It all sounds very much like grandpa telling war stories.

My generation and younger ones are not naive; they have realized that employer loyalty is not what it used to be in the days of grandparents or parents. My father was laid off during one of the first waves of mass layoffs in banking. My mother was let go as a draftsman in her mid-50s because investing in further training for her was considered a waste. So far, I have been spared layoffs thanks to public service, but I have plenty of friends whose life plans and career paths have been disrupted by dismissals following takeovers or insolvencies of the company.

Who exactly am I supposed to work myself to the bone for until the age of 67? For "the people and VW," sorry, I meant the fatherland? We must not repeat past mistakes. I am not a drone.
The moral outrage about rejecting a completely unhealthy lifestyle doesn’t just die down with me. Maybe it’s time for some reflection, instead of criticizing the younger generation.

And by the way, just because artificial intelligence wasn’t invented here doesn’t mean it can’t be economically used. Office software wasn’t developed in Germany either and is probably familiar to 90% of people under 70.

You probably work in the automotive industry (-:
That industry will soon be relocating abroad anyway – unfortunately. And to some extent, I can understand your arguments. Carpe diem and all that.

But I still believe Germany wouldn’t have achieved its wealth with that attitude. If everyone only worked as much as they had to, then you can take a look at South Africa to see where that leads. There, if after 20 days you have enough money, you just don’t show up for work the next 10 days, and the boss has to flip his own burgers and serve the customers at the table for those 10 days.

Are they happier there? Probably yes. But that is not how you build wealth in the capitalist sense. And, of course, you don’t have to.

But I’m just not sure the current generation fully realizes that.