ᐅ Floor plan for a single-family house with 1.5 stories, gable roof, no basement, 190 m² (2,045 sq ft)
Created on: 6 Mar 2023 10:05
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droopy987
Hello,
first, here are the answers to your questions. Our plan is a single-family house with approximately 190 m² (2045 sq ft) according to DIN 277.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 700 m² (7535 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 2
Building envelope, building line and boundary:
Edge development:
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of stories: 1.5
Roof type: gable roof
Style: single-family house
Orientation: west-facing
Maximum heights / limits: max. 9 m height (30 ft)
Other requirements
Owners’ Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: single-family house with gable roof
Basement, floors: no basement, ground floor + upper floor
Number of occupants, ages: planned for 2 adults + 2 children
Room requirements on ground/upper floor:
GF --> living room, kitchen, guest room, shower bathroom, utility room.
UF --> bedroom, bathroom, 2 children’s rooms + office, possibly small storage room
Office use: family use or home office? home office
Number of overnight guests per year:
Open or closed layout: rather closed, but generally open to all options
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: rather closed kitchen, no island
Number of dining seats: 4
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: yes, carport planned
Utility garden, greenhouse
Other wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why certain things should or should not be included:
The kitchen should be rather closed off from the living room because of odors, etc. Therefore, the wall to the living room. However, we would like to shift this wall slightly toward the kitchen to create a niche in the living room for a sofa/TV. Positioning the TV and sofa on the ground floor is still a challenge for us. We welcome suggestions.
On the upper floor, we want to shift the wall to the bathroom slightly so that the wardrobe can be placed just behind the bedroom door, preventing someone from walking directly into a wardrobe when entering. But the shift should be limited so the shower still fits behind the bathroom door. We also considered adding a walk-in closet or using the gable room for this, but decided against it because we feel the room is too valuable for that. Since we want the bedroom exactly where it is now and want the children’s rooms to be the same size, there are no other options for the walk-in closet—or at least none we have thought of. If you have any ideas to incorporate a walk-in closet, please share them.
We have thought about the room layout carefully. For example, the kitchen on the ground floor should face east to get some morning sun. The children’s rooms on the upper floor should face south to be bright. That is why the bedroom is positioned in the north. This also determines the bathroom and gable placement.
House Design
Planning by:
- Planner from a construction company
What do you particularly like? Why?
Gable room on the upper floor, the size of the individual rooms, bright living room with three doors.
What do you dislike? Why?
No walk-in closet or only difficult to realize with the current room layout. The living room might be a bit small due to the wall to the kitchen. Finding placement options for sofa and TV is challenging.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings/accessories:
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details / extensions
- Can you give up: walk-in closet
- Cannot give up: bright, large living room. Bedroom should be designed so that you don’t walk directly into the wardrobe when entering.
Why has the design ended up like this? e.g.
Standard design from the planner? More or less standard design
Which wishes were realized by the architect? Closed kitchen, shower bathroom on ground floor
A mix of many examples from various magazines...
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
We really like the general room layout.
What is your most important / basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Alternate ground floor layout for sofa/TV arrangement + options for walk-in closet upstairs? --> Optimal layout of approx. 190 m² (2045 sq ft)
We would be very grateful for suggestions and tips on our building project! We have already marked a few adjustments below but are generally open. Thank you very much in advance!
first, here are the answers to your questions. Our plan is a single-family house with approximately 190 m² (2045 sq ft) according to DIN 277.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 700 m² (7535 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 2
Building envelope, building line and boundary:
Edge development:
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of stories: 1.5
Roof type: gable roof
Style: single-family house
Orientation: west-facing
Maximum heights / limits: max. 9 m height (30 ft)
Other requirements
Owners’ Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: single-family house with gable roof
Basement, floors: no basement, ground floor + upper floor
Number of occupants, ages: planned for 2 adults + 2 children
Room requirements on ground/upper floor:
GF --> living room, kitchen, guest room, shower bathroom, utility room.
UF --> bedroom, bathroom, 2 children’s rooms + office, possibly small storage room
Office use: family use or home office? home office
Number of overnight guests per year:
Open or closed layout: rather closed, but generally open to all options
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: rather closed kitchen, no island
Number of dining seats: 4
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: yes, carport planned
Utility garden, greenhouse
Other wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why certain things should or should not be included:
The kitchen should be rather closed off from the living room because of odors, etc. Therefore, the wall to the living room. However, we would like to shift this wall slightly toward the kitchen to create a niche in the living room for a sofa/TV. Positioning the TV and sofa on the ground floor is still a challenge for us. We welcome suggestions.
On the upper floor, we want to shift the wall to the bathroom slightly so that the wardrobe can be placed just behind the bedroom door, preventing someone from walking directly into a wardrobe when entering. But the shift should be limited so the shower still fits behind the bathroom door. We also considered adding a walk-in closet or using the gable room for this, but decided against it because we feel the room is too valuable for that. Since we want the bedroom exactly where it is now and want the children’s rooms to be the same size, there are no other options for the walk-in closet—or at least none we have thought of. If you have any ideas to incorporate a walk-in closet, please share them.
We have thought about the room layout carefully. For example, the kitchen on the ground floor should face east to get some morning sun. The children’s rooms on the upper floor should face south to be bright. That is why the bedroom is positioned in the north. This also determines the bathroom and gable placement.
House Design
Planning by:
- Planner from a construction company
What do you particularly like? Why?
Gable room on the upper floor, the size of the individual rooms, bright living room with three doors.
What do you dislike? Why?
No walk-in closet or only difficult to realize with the current room layout. The living room might be a bit small due to the wall to the kitchen. Finding placement options for sofa and TV is challenging.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings/accessories:
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details / extensions
- Can you give up: walk-in closet
- Cannot give up: bright, large living room. Bedroom should be designed so that you don’t walk directly into the wardrobe when entering.
Why has the design ended up like this? e.g.
Standard design from the planner? More or less standard design
Which wishes were realized by the architect? Closed kitchen, shower bathroom on ground floor
A mix of many examples from various magazines...
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
We really like the general room layout.
What is your most important / basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Alternate ground floor layout for sofa/TV arrangement + options for walk-in closet upstairs? --> Optimal layout of approx. 190 m² (2045 sq ft)
We would be very grateful for suggestions and tips on our building project! We have already marked a few adjustments below but are generally open. Thank you very much in advance!
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droopy9877 Mar 2023 17:17ypg schrieb:
On the ground floor, I already see a small layout issue because the kitchen is closed off. You probably don’t want an island there but rather a dining area with four seats. Keep in mind that you’ll have to carry the “fine dining” for guests, like back in the day when it made our grandmothers break a sweat, over a fairly long distance. Fortunately, nowadays we no longer have to deal with foul-smelling food constantly, and instead can enjoy aromatic scents from a full variety of spices. So, it’s preferable not to make too much extra work for the kitchen users and to allow short distances and social interaction. But of course, that is up to each person. At least a direct door opening from the kitchen to the living/dining area would make sense.Yes, that is exactly the problem we have. We’re not really happy with this layout and are now trying to find a solution where we can open up the kitchen. However, we also want the option to close the kitchen off with a sliding door when needed. We have considered quite a few options, including putting the kitchen where the guest room is currently planned. But ideally, we want the kitchen facing east so it can get nice morning light. It’s really not easy.ypg schrieb:
Otherwise, I find the overall dimensions of this house not well suited for this type of standard floor plan. A bit more depth and less length would be better. Then you would have the necessary space where needed, and could reduce it where there is too much (for example, the living/dining area is too long, but the width is missing 50 or 60cm (20 or 24 inches)). The children’s rooms could benefit from a bay window, making them more appealing in layout and better lit, since the rooms would not extend so far inside the house.Exactly, the general dimensions are really not optimal. That’s why we’re now checking how much can be changed. And just like you say, less width but a bit more depth.ypg schrieb:
The bedrooms/closets and kitchen/access areas are clearly far from ideal and cannot be improved much by simply moving walls without accepting other compromises.
Also, moving a wall in the rather large guest room would only reduce available wall space. And yes: the bay window... it’s often the case that bay windows are chosen too small to add value, and instead just create awkward corners.
Instead, upstairs you have a room that wasn’t really necessary but was planned because it was “too valuable” to leave out. What benefit do you expect from that room?Right, it’s not ideal. But there’s certainly a solution for everything... ;-) About the bay window: we actually like it a lot, and it adds something to the exterior appearance. Upstairs, that room is our home office, so we get a nice bright space for remote work. So we do need it. ;-)ypg schrieb:
Are the outer dimensions fixed by the general contractor?In this floor plan, yes, but they are definitely still open to change.ypg schrieb:
Some other points:
The kitchen should be connected to the outdoor terrace (just like it should be connected to the dining table).
Sunlight enters better through wider windows with sills than through narrow windows without sills.
The cloakroom is missing or too small – I don’t see sufficient closet space for four people.
Just as a suggestion: swapping the WC and the utility/laundry room here would gain a lot of usable space.
The hallway lacks natural daylight.
The stair step depth of 23 cm (9 inches) is too narrow and might be difficult to walk on. This again shows (even with the unusual winding design) the limited width of the house.
By the way, it’s nice when someone checks their own questions and responds to users eager to help.Thanks for the additional suggestions. Could you clarify what you mean by the kitchen belonging to the terrace? Do you mean the kitchen should open directly onto the terrace? We will definitely change the cloakroom as it is too small for us. For the hallway, we are planning a window next to the front door to bring in natural light.
As for the stairs, I can’t really say much, but we have already considered replacing them with a U-shaped stair or something similar. We’ll see...
droopy987 schrieb:
What do you mean by "potential downwards"? Well, that 190 sqm (2,045 sq ft) includes about 40% fat...
droopy987 schrieb:
The idea was to push the door to the kitchen as far under the stairs as possible, I find this condition "as far as possible" exaggerated / not fulfilled here.
droopy987 schrieb:
Development plan / zoning: No further requirements. Only a maximum of 2 full stories, nothing else. At least the building height would still apply, and I also see a building line, so you probably just didn’t pick up on that.
ypg schrieb:
The step tread of 23cm (9 inches) is too narrow and could be difficult to walk on. Exactly. It seems neither the client nor the planner have a good sense of dimensions here.
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droopy9877 Mar 2023 17:2611ant schrieb:
Well, that 190 sqm (2,045 sq ft) includes about 40% unusable space...
I think the condition of "how it works" is exaggerated here / not met.
At least the building height would still be relevant, I also see a building line, so you probably have more, but just didn’t pick it up.
That’s how it is. It seems neither the client nor the planner have a good sense of dimensions here. So you mean that although we have 190 m² (2,045 sq ft), the layout is not great and therefore we can’t use the full area?
We’d still need to have the stairwell checked, including the stairs themselves. And right now it’s only a consideration.
Regarding the development plan: I did mention the maximum building height and it’s also shown in the image I posted. Max. 9 m (30 ft).
droopy987 schrieb:
So you mean that although we have 190 m² (2045 sq ft), it's not fully usable because of a less-than-ideal floor plan? No, the layout is actually quite typical, to the point that I initially overlooked the steep staircase because I assumed it was a standard catalog design. I haven’t double-checked the total square meters, but if that much floor area is involved, it clearly exceeds the realistic needs here by a wide margin, meaning there is plenty of space that could be left out. Overall, I have good reason to believe that both you and the designer are not fully grasping the scale involved. This can easily cause the total floor area to balloon as much as public construction costs do elsewhere. ;-)
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droopy987 schrieb:
But actually, we should have the kitchen facing east so it’s nice and bright in the morning, etc. It’s really not easy.The sun only shines there in the morning during winter 😉 If you value morning sun in the east, why not create a breakfast terrace there for weekends and open up the house accordingly? You’d just have to get up early 🙂droopy987 schrieb:
Upstairs is our office, so you get a nice, bright room for working from home.The best spot for a home office? Sorry, it’s nice, but after 2 p.m. the expensive roller shutters will have to come down. I don’t know what inspires you in the west so much that you need to keep looking at your screen that long 😉droopy987 schrieb:
Do you think the kitchen should connect to the terrace?Exactly 🙂11ant schrieb:
Well, those 190 sqm include about 40% extra ...I also think that even 160 sqm (1720 sq ft) houses look bigger than this floor plan. But the 190 sqm (2045 sq ft) isn’t actual living space anyway. Maybe I’ll find some alternatives this evening. Are you aiming more for 150 or 160 sqm (1615 or 1720 sq ft)? Personally, I would focus more on the south side and avoid placing the house rigidly and straight on the plot as if nothing else is needed besides the large garden area in the back. Are the dimensions for the carport correct? Also consider whether to separate the living room with a sliding door and assign the dining area entirely to the kitchen.p.s. I think the budget is too low.
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hanghaus20237 Mar 2023 18:45You are not placing the house on the building line without a reason.
Utilizing the height allows for a larger knee wall or the construction of a true two-story building. Hence the question about roof pitch and knee wall height.
The house could also be planned much more efficiently in terms of footprint if the height is better utilized.
Utilizing the height allows for a larger knee wall or the construction of a true two-story building. Hence the question about roof pitch and knee wall height.
The house could also be planned much more efficiently in terms of footprint if the height is better utilized.
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