ᐅ Own floor plan design for a 180 sqm urban villa with double garage – feedback requested
Created on: 30 Dec 2022 10:14
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dimba234
Hello everyone,
after being an active silent reader here for quite some time, I decided it was time to register.
A few weeks ago, we applied for a building plot with our local municipality and have now received the approval for the land. Although we plan to start building at the beginning of 2024, we are already putting a lot of thought into how our house might look. We have created a rough floor plan draft ourselves. I would like to ask you for feedback and suggestions.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 576 sqm (6,200 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index (floor area ratio for ground coverage): 0.3
Floor space index (floor area ratio for all floors): 0.6
Building envelope, building line and boundary: building boundary as per development plan
Edge development: see attachment
Number of parking spaces: at least 1.5 parking spaces
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof type: hip roof, gable roof, pitched roof, saddle roof
Architectural style: -
Orientation: see attachment
Maximum height / limits: eaves height 7 m (23 ft)
Other requirements: -
Homeowners’ Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type: single-family house with two full stories and a hip roof
Basement, floors: no basement, two full floors
Number of people, ages: 2 adults, 2 children (2 1/2 years and newborn)
Room needs on ground floor and upper floor:
Office: family use or home office? Two offices (ground floor + upper floor)
Guest bedrooms per year: -
Open or closed layout: open living and dining area
Traditional or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen, kitchen island not necessarily required
Number of dining seats: 6-8
Fireplace: no
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: double garage with storage space; carport with shed also possible
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why certain things are preferred or avoided: -
House Design
Who designed it:
-Do-it-Yourself
What do you particularly like? Why? Two offices; open living and dining area with cozy sofa corner; children’s rooms facing south; master bedroom facing north; utility room with access to the garage
What do you not like? Why? Overall, we like our design. We want to maximize the use of our garden area on the south side. To get more out of it, the house would need to be narrower and longer (currently 11 x 10.5 m (36 x 34.5 ft)). In our designs, this always failed because the rooms become too narrow and elongated. As laypersons, we probably overlook major planning mistakes. So, we ask here for constructive criticism and suggestions.
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: -
Personal budget limit for the house, including fittings: 500,000
Preferred heating technology: -
If you have to give up one or more details/additions,
-what can you do without: garage, the second office/guest room
-what you cannot do without: -
Why did the design end up like this? E.g.
-Collection of ideas from catalogs and internet searches
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan, summarized in 130 characters?
The main question is whether we have sensibly planned the layout and arrangement of garage, house entrance, and rooms in relation to the plot and its orientation. Is the design coherent overall?
The attached image with the house on the plot (Entwurf.jpg) is a draft from the responsible planning office for the building area. We want to build the house and garage aligned in the same way. However, the house will be placed at the front building boundary and the garage shifted towards the rear plot boundary.
PS: We created the design with a rudimentary online tool. Unfortunately, the tool does not allow adjusting room names (therefore “playroom” instead of “children’s room,” etc.), but I think you understand what is meant.
I look forward to your feedback 🙂!
after being an active silent reader here for quite some time, I decided it was time to register.
A few weeks ago, we applied for a building plot with our local municipality and have now received the approval for the land. Although we plan to start building at the beginning of 2024, we are already putting a lot of thought into how our house might look. We have created a rough floor plan draft ourselves. I would like to ask you for feedback and suggestions.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 576 sqm (6,200 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index (floor area ratio for ground coverage): 0.3
Floor space index (floor area ratio for all floors): 0.6
Building envelope, building line and boundary: building boundary as per development plan
Edge development: see attachment
Number of parking spaces: at least 1.5 parking spaces
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof type: hip roof, gable roof, pitched roof, saddle roof
Architectural style: -
Orientation: see attachment
Maximum height / limits: eaves height 7 m (23 ft)
Other requirements: -
Homeowners’ Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type: single-family house with two full stories and a hip roof
Basement, floors: no basement, two full floors
Number of people, ages: 2 adults, 2 children (2 1/2 years and newborn)
Room needs on ground floor and upper floor:
Office: family use or home office? Two offices (ground floor + upper floor)
Guest bedrooms per year: -
Open or closed layout: open living and dining area
Traditional or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen, kitchen island not necessarily required
Number of dining seats: 6-8
Fireplace: no
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: double garage with storage space; carport with shed also possible
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why certain things are preferred or avoided: -
House Design
Who designed it:
-Do-it-Yourself
What do you particularly like? Why? Two offices; open living and dining area with cozy sofa corner; children’s rooms facing south; master bedroom facing north; utility room with access to the garage
What do you not like? Why? Overall, we like our design. We want to maximize the use of our garden area on the south side. To get more out of it, the house would need to be narrower and longer (currently 11 x 10.5 m (36 x 34.5 ft)). In our designs, this always failed because the rooms become too narrow and elongated. As laypersons, we probably overlook major planning mistakes. So, we ask here for constructive criticism and suggestions.
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: -
Personal budget limit for the house, including fittings: 500,000
Preferred heating technology: -
If you have to give up one or more details/additions,
-what can you do without: garage, the second office/guest room
-what you cannot do without: -
Why did the design end up like this? E.g.
-Collection of ideas from catalogs and internet searches
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan, summarized in 130 characters?
The main question is whether we have sensibly planned the layout and arrangement of garage, house entrance, and rooms in relation to the plot and its orientation. Is the design coherent overall?
The attached image with the house on the plot (Entwurf.jpg) is a draft from the responsible planning office for the building area. We want to build the house and garage aligned in the same way. However, the house will be placed at the front building boundary and the garage shifted towards the rear plot boundary.
PS: We created the design with a rudimentary online tool. Unfortunately, the tool does not allow adjusting room names (therefore “playroom” instead of “children’s room,” etc.), but I think you understand what is meant.
I look forward to your feedback 🙂!
11ant schrieb:
The combination of a Rötzer Stadtvilla 150 on the upper floor with a Maxime 710 II on the lower floor (as sources of inspiration) is, exceptionally, not completely nonsensical, Note well: only as sources of inspiration is that acceptable (but even then, keep in mind that, similar to the symmetry issue, rounding adjustments occur).
However, this would mean the usefulness of standard building design proposals is already exhausted in serving as a quarry for tested floor plans (or, from another perspective, the much greater benefit of implementing a fully tested design proposal is forfeited). Because you can’t assign the ground floor to Viebrockhaus and the upper floor to Rötzer, and having one of the two build the entire "mortar" would also be nonsensical (only topped by choosing a third builder for it).
From my point of view, only two approaches are advisable: "Omega path" with an architect who is not necessarily required given the unremarkable nature of the lot and the clients' demands, or "Alpha path" with a general contractor who already has in their portfolio the closest matching combination as a base standard building proposal.
For these two options, you don’t need to keep refining your floor plan*,
and if you go the third route with me and a partially involved architect (or with a "competitor" already discussed here), you don’t need to either!
What you still owe are answers to my questions about the different shade of gray on the wall between K1 and K2 and whether my assumption is correct that you now want a cellarless "Stadtvilla."
dimba234 schrieb:
Exactly for this reason, I asked a Fingerhaus salesperson. A hip roof is possible on the Junos – of course for a hefty extra charge of €27,500 (€25,000 for the hip roof, €2,500 for the architect’s modifications). That is shamelessly the dumbest nonsense from a salesperson who hasn’t got a clue about the consequences of putting a hip roof on a knee-wall house. Then it’s "only up to the B-pillar" a standard production house!!!
*) but only then in the K***en forum
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ypg schrieb:
Has the reason why you want to position the house towards the front been discussed? I would create a nice southwest-facing garden and place the kitchen/dining area there, with the living area in the more private northern zone.I want to pick up on that point again. One reason for us to position the house as far forward as possible is the side entrance. If we move the house further back, there would be more overlap with the garage, and the chosen floor plan would no longer work.
ypg schrieb:
Living room in the southwest/west, bright work and dining areas. The rest to the north, where you have a view from the office for thinking, just like the restroom 😉Although I already mentioned that I really like your idea, in this case the living room would no longer be in the more private northern zone (as you nicely put it). I will definitely raise this point/wish with the architect.
11ant schrieb:
From my perspective, only two approaches seem advisable: "Option Omega" with an architect who is not necessarily required considering the unremarkable nature of the plot and the clients' requirements, or "Option Alpha" with a general contractor who has a typical house plan portfolio that most closely matches your wishes.
For these two approaches, you don’t need any further fine-tuning of your floor plan*,
and even if you choose the third option with me and a partially involved architect (or a "competitor" already discussed here), you won’t need it either!Thank you very much for your offer. As I mentioned, I will proceed with an architect. I have already asked around among friends and family today and received several recommendations.
11ant schrieb:
"You still owe me answers to my questions about the other shade of gray on the wall between K1 and K2 and whether my assumption is correct that you have now decided on a basement-free 'urban villa.'"To be honest, I don’t know why the wall is shown lighter. I will mention this during the offer review next week. We are building without a basement.
dimba234 schrieb:
Family bathroom facing the street?Yes, that is currently planned for your location…dimba234 schrieb:
I’m not quite comfortable with the upstairs layout including the kids’ corridor (maybe not yet). Doesn’t that waste a lot of space? It might make more sense to have slightly larger rooms, even if it’s more than needed.You don’t have to implement it that way. Personally, I find 18sqm (about 194 sq ft) too large and not very cozy for a child’s bedroom. The same goes for a teenager’s room.dimba234 schrieb:
I have a quote for the house with the shown dimensions, including plumbing, tiled bathrooms, and a tiled utility room; the remaining walls and floors will be done by ourselves – just under €380,000.dimba234 schrieb:
Another €120,000 for the garage.But you’re not surprised that a house with technical installations, plumbing, windows, and two floors would cost only about three times as much as the modest double garage, right?dimba234 schrieb:
If we move the house further in, we get a larger overlap with the garage, and the selected floor plan no longer works. Once the children and the lively pets have expressed their wishes, maybe the metal animals will get their turn. The garage is a secondary concern and should only be considered once the rest of the group is satisfied.
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Hello everyone,
there is an update. A few days ago, we met with an architect, shared our wishes including some of your ideas, and today we received two floor plan drafts. In our opinion, both options offer plenty of light but also some drawbacks.
Our impressions:
Design 1 (+ positive, – negative, o neutral)
Ground Floor
1) Nice, wide entrance area thanks to the quarter-turn staircase +
2) Quite a large utility room +
3) Good depth in the living / dining area +
4) Sliding door on the east side makes no sense (probably included because we mentioned a sliding door as a wish) –
5) Practical kitchen size +
6) No patio door on the west side from the kitchen –
7) Slightly more southwest orientation in the kitchen area. Although we requested this, it was not implemented. I assume this point was disregarded due to other wishes (house pushed to the rear building line, side entrance) o
Upper Floor
1) Hallway feels a bit narrow o
2) Bedroom with a bed directly adjacent to a children’s room –
3) Entrance to the bedroom through the dressing room +
4) Storage room +
5) Huge children’s rooms, especially 18.52 m² (199 ft²) is a bit too large –
Design 2 (+ positive, – negative, o neutral)
Ground Floor
1) Very pleasantly surprised by the platform staircase +
2) Reasonable entrance area, although we currently like the entrance from Design 1 a bit better o
3), 4), 5), 6), 7) same as Design 1
Upper Floor
1) Pleasant hallway area without wasting too much space +
2) Bedroom with a bed directly adjacent to a children’s room (same as Design 1) –
3) Study and two children’s rooms are almost the same size, great ++
Now it’s your turn. You will probably think, as often, that the drafts are terribly bad—feel free to be honest 🙂
there is an update. A few days ago, we met with an architect, shared our wishes including some of your ideas, and today we received two floor plan drafts. In our opinion, both options offer plenty of light but also some drawbacks.
Our impressions:
Design 1 (+ positive, – negative, o neutral)
Ground Floor
1) Nice, wide entrance area thanks to the quarter-turn staircase +
2) Quite a large utility room +
3) Good depth in the living / dining area +
4) Sliding door on the east side makes no sense (probably included because we mentioned a sliding door as a wish) –
5) Practical kitchen size +
6) No patio door on the west side from the kitchen –
7) Slightly more southwest orientation in the kitchen area. Although we requested this, it was not implemented. I assume this point was disregarded due to other wishes (house pushed to the rear building line, side entrance) o
Upper Floor
1) Hallway feels a bit narrow o
2) Bedroom with a bed directly adjacent to a children’s room –
3) Entrance to the bedroom through the dressing room +
4) Storage room +
5) Huge children’s rooms, especially 18.52 m² (199 ft²) is a bit too large –
Design 2 (+ positive, – negative, o neutral)
Ground Floor
1) Very pleasantly surprised by the platform staircase +
2) Reasonable entrance area, although we currently like the entrance from Design 1 a bit better o
3), 4), 5), 6), 7) same as Design 1
Upper Floor
1) Pleasant hallway area without wasting too much space +
2) Bedroom with a bed directly adjacent to a children’s room (same as Design 1) –
3) Study and two children’s rooms are almost the same size, great ++
Now it’s your turn. You will probably think, as often, that the drafts are terribly bad—feel free to be honest 🙂
dimba234 schrieb:
You probably think, as often happens, that the designs are terribly bad I can’t agree with that here. Since the start of the thread, I see a clear improvement. I find both designs acceptable and would tend to prefer "Design 2."
dimba234 schrieb:
A sliding door on the east side makes no sense at all (probably included because we requested a sliding door) – Where exactly would you have expected to see it?
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