Hello everyone,
In about three weeks, we are supposed to finalize our electrical planning on site. Unfortunately, our electrician is somewhat old-fashioned, which makes it difficult for me to collaboratively plan a future-proof electrical setup with him. Therefore, I am currently educating myself to ensure that the networking in our single-family home is fundamentally future-proof.
Basically, it’s about the LAN network... LAN wall outlets are relatively expensive, so proper planning is even more important.
About us:
- Mid to late 20s – couple without children. Planning for 2 children in the near future.
- Single-family house with a usable basement, 2 full floors, and fully equipped with concrete ceilings
- Utility room in the basement with air-to-water heat pump, ventilation system, photovoltaic system
- The router is planned to be located in the office on the ground floor
- The upper floor includes bathroom / bedroom / 2 children’s rooms
- No satellite dish or cable TV — we will use Internet TV exclusively!
Now, I am struggling to network our single-family home sensibly but as cost-effectively as possible.
I have the following questions:
1. Slightly off-topic: In the living room, I would like to have an in-wall conduit installed on the TV wall (the TV will be wall-mounted) so that no cables are visible. Is this sensible and affordable? I will get exact prices from my electrician if this makes sense at all. Would it also make sense to install power outlets at TV height? How do you plan the connections on your media wall reasonably? What should be considered?
Since we plan to use a Magenta TV box and thus IP-TV, a total of four LAN ports in the living room area would presumably be useful, right?
2. How many LAN outlets and especially where should LAN outlets be installed? Mainly: which cable? Is CAT6 sufficient?
→ Such a double LAN outlet certainly costs close to €200, so planning must be really sensible.
Is it really necessary to install 2 double LAN outlets in each children’s room? I always wonder: what is actually going to be plugged in there?
One port for the TV and one port for a multimedia device should be enough, right? So four connections would probably be overkill, correct?
The fact is: It will certainly take years or decades before our children actually use these outlets... Who knows what changes might happen by then? Therefore, could we not cost-effectively use empty conduits (empty pipes) instead?
Is it also possible to “branch off” from an existing double outlet afterward to add more ports for the room? What should be considered here? Or should we consider having an empty conduit prepared in another spot in the room so that a socket can be installed later?
3. How do you solve the “router problem”? Should the one router be placed in the office (ground floor) with LAN outlets in the existing bedrooms upstairs to ensure a stable LAN connection? Or is a router upstairs absolutely necessary?
4. How important are LAN outlets in the utility room? Should the router possibly even be located in the utility room? Because of the concrete ceiling between basement and ground floor, a second router would almost certainly be needed. How should this situation be handled with a basement?
5. What do you think about installing empty conduits for CAT cables in the kitchen / hallway etc. to enable later retrofitting? Is this relatively affordable in new builds?
I would appreciate any feedback so we can make the best possible plans 🙂
In about three weeks, we are supposed to finalize our electrical planning on site. Unfortunately, our electrician is somewhat old-fashioned, which makes it difficult for me to collaboratively plan a future-proof electrical setup with him. Therefore, I am currently educating myself to ensure that the networking in our single-family home is fundamentally future-proof.
Basically, it’s about the LAN network... LAN wall outlets are relatively expensive, so proper planning is even more important.
About us:
- Mid to late 20s – couple without children. Planning for 2 children in the near future.
- Single-family house with a usable basement, 2 full floors, and fully equipped with concrete ceilings
- Utility room in the basement with air-to-water heat pump, ventilation system, photovoltaic system
- The router is planned to be located in the office on the ground floor
- The upper floor includes bathroom / bedroom / 2 children’s rooms
- No satellite dish or cable TV — we will use Internet TV exclusively!
Now, I am struggling to network our single-family home sensibly but as cost-effectively as possible.
I have the following questions:
1. Slightly off-topic: In the living room, I would like to have an in-wall conduit installed on the TV wall (the TV will be wall-mounted) so that no cables are visible. Is this sensible and affordable? I will get exact prices from my electrician if this makes sense at all. Would it also make sense to install power outlets at TV height? How do you plan the connections on your media wall reasonably? What should be considered?
Since we plan to use a Magenta TV box and thus IP-TV, a total of four LAN ports in the living room area would presumably be useful, right?
2. How many LAN outlets and especially where should LAN outlets be installed? Mainly: which cable? Is CAT6 sufficient?
→ Such a double LAN outlet certainly costs close to €200, so planning must be really sensible.
Is it really necessary to install 2 double LAN outlets in each children’s room? I always wonder: what is actually going to be plugged in there?
One port for the TV and one port for a multimedia device should be enough, right? So four connections would probably be overkill, correct?
The fact is: It will certainly take years or decades before our children actually use these outlets... Who knows what changes might happen by then? Therefore, could we not cost-effectively use empty conduits (empty pipes) instead?
Is it also possible to “branch off” from an existing double outlet afterward to add more ports for the room? What should be considered here? Or should we consider having an empty conduit prepared in another spot in the room so that a socket can be installed later?
3. How do you solve the “router problem”? Should the one router be placed in the office (ground floor) with LAN outlets in the existing bedrooms upstairs to ensure a stable LAN connection? Or is a router upstairs absolutely necessary?
4. How important are LAN outlets in the utility room? Should the router possibly even be located in the utility room? Because of the concrete ceiling between basement and ground floor, a second router would almost certainly be needed. How should this situation be handled with a basement?
5. What do you think about installing empty conduits for CAT cables in the kitchen / hallway etc. to enable later retrofitting? Is this relatively affordable in new builds?
I would appreciate any feedback so we can make the best possible plans 🙂
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fromthisplace19 Feb 2023 15:28hanse987 schrieb:
Why the NanoHD and not the newer U6 Pro?
Have you already installed the cable outlet for the access points in the ceiling with a junction box, or do you have a suspended ceiling? For the access point, I prepared the cable in a flush-mounted junction box in the ceiling.
If the U6 Pro is newer, I’m happy to use that one as well. 🙂 Do you have the standard version, the Lite, or the Long-Range?
Which switch from post #231 would you choose?
I still have an older Lite model myself. If I were to buy one now, I would choose the U6 Pro. The current Lite version marketed as WiFi 6 is somewhat misleading. Regarding the Long Range model, I don’t know the exact specifications or whether it is even allowed to operate at full power in our region.
I use a GS1900-24E switch and a power injector for the access point. If you only have up to 5 devices needing PoE+ (Power over Ethernet Plus), I would recommend the GS1900-24EP. Basically, models 1 to 5 are fine. I wouldn’t recommend models 6 and 7 because these Chinese devices are not widely used here, so there is little experience with them. Also, keep in mind that almost every 24-port switch is actively cooled and can produce some noise.
I use a GS1900-24E switch and a power injector for the access point. If you only have up to 5 devices needing PoE+ (Power over Ethernet Plus), I would recommend the GS1900-24EP. Basically, models 1 to 5 are fine. I wouldn’t recommend models 6 and 7 because these Chinese devices are not widely used here, so there is little experience with them. Also, keep in mind that almost every 24-port switch is actively cooled and can produce some noise.
I would stick entirely with Unify. Alternatively, you can mix different brands, but then only use one brand of Unify access points.
If you only have a Fritzbox, switch, Cloudkey (or Console), and access points, you can create a maximum of one guest network. And that’s not very standard either…
It’s easier to use a Fritzbox, switch, and any access points that are easier to manage.
Long-range access points don’t help in Germany because the power output is limited.
So, either use units like the U6 Pro (ceiling-mounted) or the U6 Mesh (wall-mounted).
The NanoHD is smaller but not as modern and won’t receive updates for much longer.
If you only have a Fritzbox, switch, Cloudkey (or Console), and access points, you can create a maximum of one guest network. And that’s not very standard either…
It’s easier to use a Fritzbox, switch, and any access points that are easier to manage.
Long-range access points don’t help in Germany because the power output is limited.
So, either use units like the U6 Pro (ceiling-mounted) or the U6 Mesh (wall-mounted).
The NanoHD is smaller but not as modern and won’t receive updates for much longer.
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