Hello,
we are planning our new build with a developer and have an appointment with the electrician soon.
I am working on the LAN planning.
I will plan enough LAN connections for every room and also in the garage.
Should we use a mesh Wi-Fi router system, for example Netgear Orbi, Amazon Eero (one unit on each floor or in the most important rooms, which can be expanded as needed if there are coverage gaps) or something similar, or does it have to be an expensive PoE access point network?
I would say we are users with a higher-than-average standard.
I want to have good Wi-Fi coverage throughout the house so that I always have enough Wi-Fi on my phone for browsing.
A speed of 50–100 Mbps on the phone would be sufficient, but it should be stable (we will have a 500 Mbps or maybe only a 250 Mbps connection).
Do the access points have to be PoE devices mounted on the ceiling, or is that maybe a bit too much for us?
Or is a regular mesh router system (e.g., Netgear Orbi) enough for us?
Running the PoE cables will most likely be very expensive with the electrician (typical for developer projects :/ ).
we are planning our new build with a developer and have an appointment with the electrician soon.
I am working on the LAN planning.
I will plan enough LAN connections for every room and also in the garage.
Should we use a mesh Wi-Fi router system, for example Netgear Orbi, Amazon Eero (one unit on each floor or in the most important rooms, which can be expanded as needed if there are coverage gaps) or something similar, or does it have to be an expensive PoE access point network?
I would say we are users with a higher-than-average standard.
I want to have good Wi-Fi coverage throughout the house so that I always have enough Wi-Fi on my phone for browsing.
A speed of 50–100 Mbps on the phone would be sufficient, but it should be stable (we will have a 500 Mbps or maybe only a 250 Mbps connection).
Do the access points have to be PoE devices mounted on the ceiling, or is that maybe a bit too much for us?
Or is a regular mesh router system (e.g., Netgear Orbi) enough for us?
Running the PoE cables will most likely be very expensive with the electrician (typical for developer projects :/ ).
R
RotorMotor10 Jan 2023 08:59Jentopa schrieb:
Do you always re-patch because the switch is too small? Basically, yes, that’s what patch panels are for, as has been mentioned here.
When I buy a new (desktop) PC or TV, patching is the least of my worries.
I have mostly double wall outlets, but usually only one device is connected per outlet.
For example, the TV with a media receiver. Why should the TV be connected as well if the receiver handles everything?
Jentopa schrieb:
Regarding counting ports: For example, I currently have the AVR in the basement because I can’t connect and operate it here. In the new house, I want to do that (again). For this, I need a connection that I don’t have at the moment. That’s how I approached the planning. Unfortunately, due to the limitations of the temporary apartment, I am not using all devices, but planned the connections in the house anyway. The planning was done in 2021, so a few days ago. For simplicity, I just counted ports instead of going through all my hardware, which is now stored with relatives. I just hope it doesn’t walk away. An AVR is just one device after all.
But maybe you actually have a lot of them?
Jentopa schrieb:
And yes, my wife downloads recipes (or does something else) with the kitchen machine. It’s the Lidl one. Devices like that go on Wi-Fi.
It’s ugly and impractical to have network cables lying around the kitchen.
Besides, the main reason is probably that such devices don’t even have an Ethernet port. ;-)
Jentopa schrieb:
I’m curious now:
How many connections have you planned and how many do you actually use?
About us: 4 people, 6 rooms (excluding basement/storage rooms), 2 home offices, no smart devices. That info probably won’t help much.
But normally you’d have something like 4 PCs (though laptops are usually on Wi-Fi), 2 TVs with receivers, AVR, console?, router, wallbox?, inverter?, NAS?—which with some question marks adds up to about 14.
If you don’t have specific requirements regarding management and so forth, there are plenty of reasonably priced and efficient 24-port switches available.
Jentopa schrieb:
I'm curious now:
How many connections did you plan for, and how many do you actually use?I have about 28 connections distributed throughout the house.Currently, only 4 are in use: router, access point, PC, and laptop docking station.
The server is connected directly in the network cabinet, and Fire TV works fine over Wi-Fi.
Eventually, the kids will have their devices, so there will be more.
I would do it the same way again.
Jentopa schrieb:
And yes, my wife downloads recipes with the kitchen appliance (or does whatever with it). It’s the Lidl model. RotorMotor schrieb:
These devices connect via Wi-Fi.
It’s ugly and impractical to have network cables lying around in the kitchen.
Although the main reason is probably that these devices don’t even have an Ethernet port. ;-) Since when did the Lidl Thermomix have an RJ45 network port? As I said, I’m still unsuccessfully searching for built-in wired LAN connections in large kitchen appliances.
To be honest, I don’t mind a bit more power consumption if I don’t have to constantly worry about whether a network socket is connected or not. There are far greater saving potentials elsewhere in the house.
Jentopa schrieb:
How many devices do you have active? Do you keep rearranging because the switch is too small?It’s actually the other way around... Araknis schrieb:
I currently have 48 1 GbE ports planned for the house, which is manageable! Of these, 21 PoE devices are permanently active,so two 16-port switches would be sufficient up to this point... Araknis schrieb:
16 ports come from duplex outlets in the living rooms (of which about 6 are realistically in permanent use).that means 16 patch cables, but only six used switch ports. Jentopa schrieb:
I’ve listed the optional connections separately. There is no “double usage” here.... so they only need a place at the patch panel, and you can completely exclude them from the switch calculation; also, cordless devices don’t need patch ports at all!
By the way, you can also operate a kitchen appliance separately—it won’t be communicating with many other devices. By the time the kitchen appliance streams recipes from the live broadcast of the cooking show, the equipment you buy today will long be outdated. A basic understanding of network design “saves ports” 🙂
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11ant schrieb:
The opposite is true ...Milan or Madrid? As long as it’s Italy. Yesterday was a long day.
11ant schrieb:
By the way, you can operate a kitchen machine separately; it won’t want to communicate with many other devices. By the time a kitchen machine streams recipes from a live cooking show, the equipment bought today will already be outdated. A basic understanding of network design “saves ports” 🙂You are right about the kitchen machine—it’s connected via Wi-Fi. I don’t really operate that device anyway; my kitchen appliance is a grill.
Back to the original topic of power consumption—this time without links, as I was warned.
- 2 switches
- 1 that supports PoE
- 1 that covers both connection options
Jentopa schrieb:
I don’t operate the device; my kitchen appliance is called a grill. I don’t mean operating in terms of typing on a keyboard, but rather providing the services of the switch.
Jentopa schrieb:
Yes, you can certainly debate the right approach when it comes to power consumption, and usually it’s individual user behavior that makes the difference. However, when I buy a new device, I do pay attention to that. That’s why you should design your network so that on one hand you don’t oversize anything and consider both actively and passively managed end devices, but on the other hand also avoid configuring segments in a way that creates additional interconnect requirements. This is not really a DIY area ;-)
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