ᐅ Floor plan of a single-family detached house, urban villa style, approximately 2,600 sq ft, without a basement
Created on: 23 Apr 2022 11:06
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dkw8074
Hello,
we now have a plan that is already quite advanced for us. We have been considering for a long time whether to include a basement or not, as well as whether to use the attic space (see also https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/ausbau-dachgeschoss-bei-walmdach-als-kellerersatz.43148/).
Building Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 1170 m² (0.29 acres)
Slope: no
Floor area ratio: 0.4
Floor space index: 2
Number of parking spaces: 2 garage + 1 outdoor
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: urban villa
Orientation: southwest
Owner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: hipped roof urban villa
Basement, floors: trying to do without a basement
Number of occupants, age: 2 adults, 1 child currently
Space needs on ground floor and upper floor: rooms should be a comfortable size without being excessive
Office: family use or home office? both
Guest stays per year: 10-15 times for 2-3 days
Open or closed architecture: open towards the garden
Conservative or modern design: I would say a mix; in any case, the staircase should not be in the living room
Open kitchen, kitchen island: kitchen with pantry, a fully freestanding island is not necessary
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes
Balcony, roof terrace: no balcony, terrace with roof cover
Garage, carport: yes, 2 parking spaces plus motorcycle; 1 additional outdoor parking
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons why something should or should not be included
House Design
Who created the plan: a planner from a construction company
What do you particularly like? Why? We generally like the ground and upper floor because everything we wished for has been implemented
What do you dislike? Why? Placement of building services - perhaps try placing them under the stairs?
Price estimate according to architect/planner: 700k
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment: 800k
Preferred heating system: geothermal
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions
-can you do without: possibly a few square meters; a big question is whether the office/fitness room above the garage makes sense or if a basement would be better
-can’t give up: own master bathroom, laundry room upstairs
Why is the design the way it is now?
We had quite clear ideas based on reviewing standard floor plans. There were some changes and tests (basement yes/no, attic use yes/no).
What makes it, in your opinion, particularly good or bad? Very good implementation of our ideas and budget
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The approx. 30 m² (320 sq ft) room on the upper floor (office/fitness) and the larger storage room behind the garage are intended as a basement substitute. How do you like this solution with the partial overbuilding of the garage on the upper floor?
Thank you very much for your feedback!
we now have a plan that is already quite advanced for us. We have been considering for a long time whether to include a basement or not, as well as whether to use the attic space (see also https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/ausbau-dachgeschoss-bei-walmdach-als-kellerersatz.43148/).
Building Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 1170 m² (0.29 acres)
Slope: no
Floor area ratio: 0.4
Floor space index: 2
Number of parking spaces: 2 garage + 1 outdoor
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: urban villa
Orientation: southwest
Owner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: hipped roof urban villa
Basement, floors: trying to do without a basement
Number of occupants, age: 2 adults, 1 child currently
Space needs on ground floor and upper floor: rooms should be a comfortable size without being excessive
Office: family use or home office? both
Guest stays per year: 10-15 times for 2-3 days
Open or closed architecture: open towards the garden
Conservative or modern design: I would say a mix; in any case, the staircase should not be in the living room
Open kitchen, kitchen island: kitchen with pantry, a fully freestanding island is not necessary
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes
Balcony, roof terrace: no balcony, terrace with roof cover
Garage, carport: yes, 2 parking spaces plus motorcycle; 1 additional outdoor parking
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons why something should or should not be included
House Design
Who created the plan: a planner from a construction company
What do you particularly like? Why? We generally like the ground and upper floor because everything we wished for has been implemented
What do you dislike? Why? Placement of building services - perhaps try placing them under the stairs?
Price estimate according to architect/planner: 700k
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment: 800k
Preferred heating system: geothermal
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions
-can you do without: possibly a few square meters; a big question is whether the office/fitness room above the garage makes sense or if a basement would be better
-can’t give up: own master bathroom, laundry room upstairs
Why is the design the way it is now?
We had quite clear ideas based on reviewing standard floor plans. There were some changes and tests (basement yes/no, attic use yes/no).
What makes it, in your opinion, particularly good or bad? Very good implementation of our ideas and budget
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The approx. 30 m² (320 sq ft) room on the upper floor (office/fitness) and the larger storage room behind the garage are intended as a basement substitute. How do you like this solution with the partial overbuilding of the garage on the upper floor?
Thank you very much for your feedback!
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xMisterDx26 Dec 2022 22:10dkw8074 schrieb:
Thank you for your thoughts, and don’t worry, we have considered those as well. Nevertheless, this is about the specific questions, so please don’t focus on the budget. Ok. Routing the house utility entry several meters below the foundation slab is nonsense—you simply won’t have access in an emergency.
A garage and storage room totaling almost 70m² (750 sq ft) is pure madness.
The pantry is too large, considering the few cabinets that fit with this layout; this applies even more to the cloakroom. 6m² (65 sq ft) for a 2.5m (8 ft) closet, the rest is just empty space. How many coats do you have? How many food items are you planning to store? For the cloakroom, a niche in the entrance area is sufficient; for food storage, cabinets in the kitchen work better. If you do want a pantry, it should be optimized: a room you enter with a U-shaped shelving system in front of you.
Three bathrooms, each with a shower... do you all shower every few hours? A costly space that is only used for a few minutes a day.
The utility room on the upper floor, even though there is already a utility room with 10m² (110 sq ft). Sounds great at first, but in summer you’ll dry clothes outside anyway, so you’ll have to go up and down again.
Then you want a green roof with almost 130m² (1400 sq ft). That requires significantly more complex structural engineering... even a carport can quickly cost twice as much.
And about your bathrooms... sure, family is family. But if I open the door and have to pass right by my daughter who is in the middle of a shower so I can get to the shower myself... at age 5 she still finds that funny, but if she’s sitting in the farthest corner, the confrontation is a lot less awkward.
What I mean is:
I don’t know a single bathroom where the toilet is placed directly by the door. In your plans, it’s that way everywhere.
kbt09 schrieb:
Well, regarding the planned fireplace ... and generally the planned layout with the main focus on a "corner bench" ... how did you imagine that?That is the big question whether there are still options. For this plan, it wasn’t a "main focus" but it has come up again now. However, if there is no well-fitting solution, it might simply become a freestanding bench or possibly a corner bench for the dining table. That can look good and be cozy at the same time.
11ant schrieb:
Yes, but only in principle, not in detail. For example, whether you are "flexible" or "dogmatically fixed" (between wood and masonry, monolithic construction or ETICS, or similar). By the way, fewer problems occur where the layperson does not assume to know better ;-)
We are definitely not "dogmatically fixed," although wood is out (bad personal experience), and I simply haven’t yet received a solid, objective recommendation for ETICS.
But what exactly would be your recommendation?
11ant schrieb:
Unfortunately. You apparently also respond to the criticism that the floor plan has been "rotated around" like a Rubik’s Cube—both downstairs and upstairs—but always with the principle that the exterior visualizations look exactly the same from the first to the fifty-seventh variation. Including the previous thread, we are now at about 140 posts, and I easily see it reaching 200 to 220 without breaking any deadlock or having any lightbulb moment. Architects can wake up enamored clients—draftsmen unfortunately cannot.
So you will continue to be objectively stuck in place forever, but always with the subjective feeling of continuous improvement :-(
As I wrote before, there was also a parallel design by an architect. But what should we do if we don’t like it? Build anyway because it is probably "better" planned? If we are convinced that the current design is not good, we will probably consult another architect again. At the moment, that is not the case.
xMisterDx schrieb:
Ok. Routing the house entry several meters below the slab is nonsense, because in an emergency you’ll never get to it again.
A garage and storage room totaling almost 70m² (750 sq ft) is pure madness.
The pantry is too large, considering the few cabinets that fit with this layout; the same applies even more to the cloakroom. 6m² (65 sq ft) for a 2.5m (8 ft) closet, the rest is empty space. How many coats do you have? How much food do you want to store? For the cloakroom, a small niche in the entrance area; for food storage, kitchen cabinets. If you want a pantry, then make it efficient. A room you enter with a U-shaped shelving right in front of you.
3 bathrooms, each with a shower... do you all shower every few hours? Expensive spaces used only a few minutes a day.
The utility room upstairs, even though there is already a utility room with 10m² (108 sq ft). Sounds good at first glance, but in summer you’ll hang laundry outside. So you still have to go up and down.
Then you want a green roof covering nearly 130m² (1400 sq ft). Much more complex structural engineering... even a carport quickly costs twice as much.
Oh, and about your bathrooms... sure, within the family you know each other. But when I open the door and have to pass right by my daughter who’s on the toilet so I can get to the shower... at five years old she might find it funny... if she’s sitting in the farthest corner, the confrontation isn’t so dramatic.
What I mean to say:
I don’t know a single bathroom where the toilet is planned directly by the door. In your case, it’s like that everywhere. I almost always have to run lines under the slab or through the basement. I don’t see a problem if it’s done properly.
Yes, the pantry is large but partly serves as a household storage room. I’m sure the cloakroom will be full with my girls, I have no worries about that...
The upstairs utility room is a fixed requirement; it makes sense for us so that laundry isn’t done in the bathrooms.
Of course, three bathrooms are a luxury, no question. But also to avoid the situation you described and to have privacy. If I’m sitting on the toilet for a while, I just lock the door, so it doesn’t really matter if the toilet is in the front or back of the room.
And the green roof isn’t our choice; it’s required for flat roofs. We tried plenty of other roof styles, but with a hip roof it simply doesn’t look very good.
Anyway, many thanks for your thoughts, but in many areas this is quite subjective.
kbt09 schrieb:
Why not share the plan you don’t like at all? Maybe some ideas can still be taken from it. I’m afraid this might not help us much, but here is the draft anyway. Unfortunately, I don’t have a digital version.
What we don’t like:
- significantly more floor space but one less room on the upper floor
- a lot of hallway/vestibule space without direct use
- storage rooms between garage and house, overall the entrance situation
- generally the exterior look with, on one hand, narrow tall windows and on the other, narrow horizontal windows
Overall, we simply prefer the other design, also because (for us) the space is used more efficiently.
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