ᐅ Creating a Plan for Insulating an Old Building – How to Proceed?

Created on: 30 Aug 2022 10:30
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Tobibi
Hello,

I’m currently trying to make a plan for how to best improve the insulation of our house. I hope I can write everything down clearly so that some of you might be able to give me tips or suggest different approaches.

We bought a large house from 1982, about 200 sqm (2,150 sq ft) of living space. There is an approximately 6-year-old heat pump for heating and hot water, and a small wood stove in the living room. The ground floor and first floor have underfloor heating, while three basement rooms and a converted room above the garage have radiators. These radiators have a separate heating circuit with their own flow temperature and are rarely used, actually not at all in the basement.

In the main bedroom on the first floor, the previous owner opened the ceiling a few years ago, creating a high space that goes up to the roof ridge. The roof was insulated at that time, but I don’t have any documentation on how well. The rest of the house remains in its original condition, so basically uninsulated.

The walls are solid brick. The wooden windows have double glazing. Many windows and the front door do not seal well, allowing noticeable drafts at some windows. The top floor ceiling is not concrete but made of joists, covered underneath on the first floor with drywall and boards on top. Between the joists, there appears to be rock wool insulation packed in.

We have a 9 kWp photovoltaic system with battery storage, which the previous owner also installed. As it currently stands, the electricity from the photovoltaic system cannot be used for the heat pump, only for other household electricity. There is a separate meter with a heating electricity contract. Surplus electricity is fed back into the grid.

I recently received the heating electricity bill, showing that from March 2021 to March 2022—one full year—we used about 12,500 kWh for heating and hot water, which I find quite high. I definitely want to take action, especially since electricity prices are rising sharply. I’m not an experienced DIYer, but I can assist and have very helpful father and father-in-law who have a lot of skills. So, some things could be done ourselves, although time is always a factor.

A no-brainer seems to be replacing the window seals and adjusting them so they close tightly again. I am already in contact with a company for this.
Next, I’m thinking about insulating the roller shutter boxes. I would probably get a company to do this as well.
I’m considering insulating the basement ceiling with insulation boards that can be glued or fixed with plugs. If there are instructions available, we would rather do that ourselves. Or should I focus on insulating the top floor ceiling or installing insulation between the rafters? Or both? Probably not at the same time—maybe one this year and the other in a year or two. What would be the better order?

Would it make sense to modify the photovoltaic system so that the electricity can be used for the heat pump? I would have to hire an electrician for that, which costs money. But then the electricity would be usable for heating, and there would be only one basic fee. On the other hand, the yield in winter is not very good, and I would lose the cheaper heating electricity tariff. I once tracked generated, fed-in, self-used, and purchased electricity over a longer period and basically concluded that the conversion might not be worthwhile. But now electricity prices are rising dramatically.

Insulating the facade and/or installing new windows is honestly too expensive for me right now. On the other hand, we will need to have the entire exterior repainted next year or the year after. That costs several thousand when done professionally, which would almost offset the cost of external wall insulation. But presumably, these two should go together—insulation and new windows—because doing only one is not sensible and could cause problems with condensation.

So, that turned out to be quite a long message. I hope it’s understandable. How would you proceed? If I forgot anything, just ask. I might also add a follow-up later.

Best regards,
Tobi
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KarstenausNRW
22 Dec 2022 08:54
Buschreiter schrieb:

Here is the answer from the energy efficiency consultant: "In order to confirm eligibility for funding, there must be a general building authority approval from the Institute for Building Technology, including a specified thermal conductivity value for the material." Where can I find something like this?
SaniererNRW123 schrieb:

And where are the references for residential construction? DIBt approval?
This has already been asked and not answered. You could try searching on the DIBt homepage...
... and not find any approval, no matter what search term you use.
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Cronos86
22 Dec 2022 09:00
Just a moment, Adam2112 is already working on creating one in Paint…

But your energy consultant should just order a sample for 10 euros and see for themselves that it works! 🙄
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SoL
22 Dec 2022 09:12
...and please don’t forget to upload the invoice. Otherwise, he won’t believe that testing was done.
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Cronos86
22 Dec 2022 09:25
And of course, upload a YouTube video! How could I have forgotten that.

But honestly, the existence of a material with such a low thermal conductivity, which is so simple, can only be fake.

Adam chose this value so he could tell people that they basically only need to paint the house to meet the requirements of the building energy act / BEG (building energy law / Federal Funding for Efficient Buildings). Unfortunately, not everyone immediately realizes that this value is so far removed from any reality or common sense. And it’s enough if a few people fall for it. Now everyone is panicking about energy prices anyway, and such a "miracle solution" is convenient. Adam is probably the kind of guy who takes retirees (no offense to retirees intended) for their last savings, and that just really pisses me off.

Sorry, but somehow I just got a bit angry.
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KarstenausNRW
22 Dec 2022 09:42
Cronos86 schrieb:

Everyone is panicking about energy prices anyway, and a "miracle solution" fits right in here.
The shop is offline or has no products. At the moment, no one is losing their savings.
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Adam2112
22 Dec 2022 09:51
Buschreiter schrieb:

Here is the answer from the energy efficiency consultant: “In order to confirm eligibility for funding, there would need to be a general building authority approval from the Institute for Construction Technology including a specified thermal conductivity value for the material.” Where can I find something like this?

Everyone seems to say something different. Try a different energy consultant. CE marking is sufficient. I am currently planning a multi-family house with this, and it worked right away with the second consultant I called. For the KfW subsidy, they only require a testing standard to ensure the performance is guaranteed.
Here is quickly the adjusted document related to this.

Text block about CE marking, general building approvals, construction products, and technical standards.