ᐅ Creating a Plan for Insulating an Old Building – How to Proceed?
Created on: 30 Aug 2022 10:30
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Tobibi
Hello,
I’m currently trying to make a plan for how to best improve the insulation of our house. I hope I can write everything down clearly so that some of you might be able to give me tips or suggest different approaches.
We bought a large house from 1982, about 200 sqm (2,150 sq ft) of living space. There is an approximately 6-year-old heat pump for heating and hot water, and a small wood stove in the living room. The ground floor and first floor have underfloor heating, while three basement rooms and a converted room above the garage have radiators. These radiators have a separate heating circuit with their own flow temperature and are rarely used, actually not at all in the basement.
In the main bedroom on the first floor, the previous owner opened the ceiling a few years ago, creating a high space that goes up to the roof ridge. The roof was insulated at that time, but I don’t have any documentation on how well. The rest of the house remains in its original condition, so basically uninsulated.
The walls are solid brick. The wooden windows have double glazing. Many windows and the front door do not seal well, allowing noticeable drafts at some windows. The top floor ceiling is not concrete but made of joists, covered underneath on the first floor with drywall and boards on top. Between the joists, there appears to be rock wool insulation packed in.
We have a 9 kWp photovoltaic system with battery storage, which the previous owner also installed. As it currently stands, the electricity from the photovoltaic system cannot be used for the heat pump, only for other household electricity. There is a separate meter with a heating electricity contract. Surplus electricity is fed back into the grid.
I recently received the heating electricity bill, showing that from March 2021 to March 2022—one full year—we used about 12,500 kWh for heating and hot water, which I find quite high. I definitely want to take action, especially since electricity prices are rising sharply. I’m not an experienced DIYer, but I can assist and have very helpful father and father-in-law who have a lot of skills. So, some things could be done ourselves, although time is always a factor.
A no-brainer seems to be replacing the window seals and adjusting them so they close tightly again. I am already in contact with a company for this.
Next, I’m thinking about insulating the roller shutter boxes. I would probably get a company to do this as well.
I’m considering insulating the basement ceiling with insulation boards that can be glued or fixed with plugs. If there are instructions available, we would rather do that ourselves. Or should I focus on insulating the top floor ceiling or installing insulation between the rafters? Or both? Probably not at the same time—maybe one this year and the other in a year or two. What would be the better order?
Would it make sense to modify the photovoltaic system so that the electricity can be used for the heat pump? I would have to hire an electrician for that, which costs money. But then the electricity would be usable for heating, and there would be only one basic fee. On the other hand, the yield in winter is not very good, and I would lose the cheaper heating electricity tariff. I once tracked generated, fed-in, self-used, and purchased electricity over a longer period and basically concluded that the conversion might not be worthwhile. But now electricity prices are rising dramatically.
Insulating the facade and/or installing new windows is honestly too expensive for me right now. On the other hand, we will need to have the entire exterior repainted next year or the year after. That costs several thousand when done professionally, which would almost offset the cost of external wall insulation. But presumably, these two should go together—insulation and new windows—because doing only one is not sensible and could cause problems with condensation.
So, that turned out to be quite a long message. I hope it’s understandable. How would you proceed? If I forgot anything, just ask. I might also add a follow-up later.
Best regards,
Tobi
I’m currently trying to make a plan for how to best improve the insulation of our house. I hope I can write everything down clearly so that some of you might be able to give me tips or suggest different approaches.
We bought a large house from 1982, about 200 sqm (2,150 sq ft) of living space. There is an approximately 6-year-old heat pump for heating and hot water, and a small wood stove in the living room. The ground floor and first floor have underfloor heating, while three basement rooms and a converted room above the garage have radiators. These radiators have a separate heating circuit with their own flow temperature and are rarely used, actually not at all in the basement.
In the main bedroom on the first floor, the previous owner opened the ceiling a few years ago, creating a high space that goes up to the roof ridge. The roof was insulated at that time, but I don’t have any documentation on how well. The rest of the house remains in its original condition, so basically uninsulated.
The walls are solid brick. The wooden windows have double glazing. Many windows and the front door do not seal well, allowing noticeable drafts at some windows. The top floor ceiling is not concrete but made of joists, covered underneath on the first floor with drywall and boards on top. Between the joists, there appears to be rock wool insulation packed in.
We have a 9 kWp photovoltaic system with battery storage, which the previous owner also installed. As it currently stands, the electricity from the photovoltaic system cannot be used for the heat pump, only for other household electricity. There is a separate meter with a heating electricity contract. Surplus electricity is fed back into the grid.
I recently received the heating electricity bill, showing that from March 2021 to March 2022—one full year—we used about 12,500 kWh for heating and hot water, which I find quite high. I definitely want to take action, especially since electricity prices are rising sharply. I’m not an experienced DIYer, but I can assist and have very helpful father and father-in-law who have a lot of skills. So, some things could be done ourselves, although time is always a factor.
A no-brainer seems to be replacing the window seals and adjusting them so they close tightly again. I am already in contact with a company for this.
Next, I’m thinking about insulating the roller shutter boxes. I would probably get a company to do this as well.
I’m considering insulating the basement ceiling with insulation boards that can be glued or fixed with plugs. If there are instructions available, we would rather do that ourselves. Or should I focus on insulating the top floor ceiling or installing insulation between the rafters? Or both? Probably not at the same time—maybe one this year and the other in a year or two. What would be the better order?
Would it make sense to modify the photovoltaic system so that the electricity can be used for the heat pump? I would have to hire an electrician for that, which costs money. But then the electricity would be usable for heating, and there would be only one basic fee. On the other hand, the yield in winter is not very good, and I would lose the cheaper heating electricity tariff. I once tracked generated, fed-in, self-used, and purchased electricity over a longer period and basically concluded that the conversion might not be worthwhile. But now electricity prices are rising dramatically.
Insulating the facade and/or installing new windows is honestly too expensive for me right now. On the other hand, we will need to have the entire exterior repainted next year or the year after. That costs several thousand when done professionally, which would almost offset the cost of external wall insulation. But presumably, these two should go together—insulation and new windows—because doing only one is not sensible and could cause problems with condensation.
So, that turned out to be quite a long message. I hope it’s understandable. How would you proceed? If I forgot anything, just ask. I might also add a follow-up later.
Best regards,
Tobi
Buschreiter schrieb:
I’m interested in this mainly for insulating my basement ceiling. The 12cm (5 inches) with a thermal conductivity of 0.035 W/(m·K) required for funding through the BEG is quite substantial. Is it possible to receive the funding when applying the interior coating (let’s call it that)? That would be really interesting… Yes. We have energy consultants who have now convinced themselves of the function and done the calculations. The application guidelines and testing procedures required by KfW are also in place. You just need to make some calls in your area. Many already know the product.
On the PScoat homepage, the certificate only shows a value of 0.048 W/m·K (0.048 W/m·K), which is quite realistic. However, there is no alternative to common insulation materials.
Only on the AZ Real Estate page is a lambda value of 0.00012 W/m·K (0.00012 W/m·K) mentioned.
So, without intending to discredit anyone, if something sounds too good to be true, it usually isn’t true...
Only on the AZ Real Estate page is a lambda value of 0.00012 W/m·K (0.00012 W/m·K) mentioned.
So, without intending to discredit anyone, if something sounds too good to be true, it usually isn’t true...
Cronos86 schrieb:
On the PScoat homepage, I only find a value of 0.048 W/m·K listed on the certificate, which seems quite realistic. However, there is no alternative to common insulation materials mentioned.
Only on the AZ Real Estate page is a thermal conductivity of 0.00012 W/m·K mentioned.
Without intending to discredit anyone: if something sounds too good to be true, it usually isn’t... Please send an email to AZ and request the documentation. The 0.00012 value is scientifically proven and also included in the CE certificate.
Adam2112 schrieb:
Please send an email to AZ and request the documents. The 0.00012 is scientifically proven and also included in the CE certificate. Thank you for sending the "certificate." However, if you are going to change values such as lambda, you should make sure to do it correctly and use the same font...
To clarify for everyone: The lambda values are written in a different font than the other values in the table. This is very noticeable with the zero. Therefore, the document may be forged or manipulated.
Cronos86 schrieb:
Thanks for sending the "certificate." However, if you change values like Lambda, you need to make sure it’s done correctly and that the same font is used....
To say it again for everyone: The Lambda values are written in a different font than the other values in the table. This is clearly visible on the zero. Therefore, the document may be forged or manipulated. Have you tried it yourself? If not, it’s very difficult to comment on the topic with any authority. You can watch the appropriate videos and try it out; at the latest then, you’ll know it works.
You probably also doubt the roundness of the Earth and the existence of vacuum panels.
No, I’m just questioning the existence of a product whose claimed effects I cannot scientifically explain.
Have you heard of Occam’s razor?
Here we have two possible theories.
1. Either there is a product that possesses the advertised properties, but without any understandable description or proof of how it works. A product that could displace all other insulation materials from the market, at least in most areas. One that could solve our climate protection goals and thermal insulation in the housing sector without extreme costs or material effort. A product that is affordable, easy to manufacture, and also very simple to install.
or
2. It is fraud.
The material clearly has product properties, but 1–3 mm (0.04–0.12 inches) of this coating cannot replace several centimeters of insulation made from mineral wool / EPS / wood fiber.
I would say everyone should decide for themselves whether they want to use this product... but since I fear that someone might genuinely try it out of curiosity, it would be better to delete this topic.
Have you heard of Occam’s razor?
- Among multiple sufficient explanations for the same fact, the simplest theory is preferable to all others.
- A theory is simple if it contains as few variables and hypotheses as possible and if these stand in clear logical relationships from which the fact to be explained logically follows.
Here we have two possible theories.
1. Either there is a product that possesses the advertised properties, but without any understandable description or proof of how it works. A product that could displace all other insulation materials from the market, at least in most areas. One that could solve our climate protection goals and thermal insulation in the housing sector without extreme costs or material effort. A product that is affordable, easy to manufacture, and also very simple to install.
or
2. It is fraud.
The material clearly has product properties, but 1–3 mm (0.04–0.12 inches) of this coating cannot replace several centimeters of insulation made from mineral wool / EPS / wood fiber.
I would say everyone should decide for themselves whether they want to use this product... but since I fear that someone might genuinely try it out of curiosity, it would be better to delete this topic.