Hello,
I am looking for a comprehensive smart home platform that can integrate devices from different manufacturers.
So far, I have come across the following options:
Home Assistant
OpenHAB
ioBroker
Which of these platforms is the best or most widely used?
It is important to me that it runs stably and allows for creating good automations.
Additionally, there should be a smartphone app available that can be used on the go to control the smart home or at least check the status of devices remotely.
Are all of these programs open source and available for free?
Which of these platforms would you recommend, or should we perhaps consider WiButler or Homee, which also support various wireless standards?
I am looking for a comprehensive smart home platform that can integrate devices from different manufacturers.
So far, I have come across the following options:
Home Assistant
OpenHAB
ioBroker
Which of these platforms is the best or most widely used?
It is important to me that it runs stably and allows for creating good automations.
Additionally, there should be a smartphone app available that can be used on the go to control the smart home or at least check the status of devices remotely.
Are all of these programs open source and available for free?
Which of these platforms would you recommend, or should we perhaps consider WiButler or Homee, which also support various wireless standards?
TaiiTvv schrieb:
The electrician only needs to connect all consumers individually in a star topology, for example roller shutters and lights. Exactly. But not each light fixture separately, only the lighting circuits individually.
TaiiTvv schrieb:
The underfloor heating is connected to the heating actuators in the distribution board with the control valves. No. To simplify things, the heating actuators are installed directly in the heating manifold.
TaiiTvv schrieb:
How are the sockets wired when using KNX? The same way as regular sockets.
TaiiTvv schrieb:
Are all sockets really connected in a star topology, or do you run a 5-core cable per room with one permanently powered circuit plus two switched circuits? No, only the sockets you actually want to switch individually. You should plan this in advance. Using a 5-core cable like that would work. However, there’s nothing wrong with assigning many sockets to actuators just in case and leaving them permanently on. You won’t control that many sockets via wall switches anyway.
You can also simply bring all socket circuits into the distribution board using terminal blocks. From there, you can assign any circuits to actuators later, or leave them bridged for constant power. That’s the most flexible solution.
TaiiTvv schrieb:
The electrician only needs to install the bus cable to all the pushbuttons and sensors, but buying and connecting the sensors is done DIY? You can also connect all the pushbuttons and sensors yourself. KNX is SELV, so you are allowed to do that yourself.
But by the way... TaiiTvv, are you related to Taitv789 (and some others) by any chance? 😉
Mycraft?
Thank you for your reply.
Regarding the electrical outlets, I currently can’t imagine (I lack the experience) which outlets or whether I even need switchable outlets.
Our electrician immediately said that if we want to have smart home functions, it will be expensive because of the complex star wiring required.
How many outlets did you make switchable, and which ones? Should I have the outlets installed as normal outlets and later switch some of them wirelessly, or should I go with the solution using 5-core cables?
We need to keep the KNX installation as affordable as possible at the start and then gradually buy additional switches and sensors to expand it.
Regarding the electrical outlets, I currently can’t imagine (I lack the experience) which outlets or whether I even need switchable outlets.
Our electrician immediately said that if we want to have smart home functions, it will be expensive because of the complex star wiring required.
How many outlets did you make switchable, and which ones? Should I have the outlets installed as normal outlets and later switch some of them wirelessly, or should I go with the solution using 5-core cables?
We need to keep the KNX installation as affordable as possible at the start and then gradually buy additional switches and sensors to expand it.
R
RotorMotor30 Aug 2022 10:15I have many sockets that can be switched and measured.
This is currently turning out to be more of a waste of money.
I had already suspected this before, but I was convinced otherwise by some forums.
This is currently turning out to be more of a waste of money.
I had already suspected this before, but I was convinced otherwise by some forums.
KNX is not really a necessity like food and water.
For that reason alone, it is a waste of money or, in other words, "luxury" or "comfort." Feel free to add any other fitting terms.
We also have a bit of smart home technology, but so far none of the power outlets are switchable. I still don’t see a reason to make more than three switchable. We have each room wired with three phases separately and could really make many outlets or groups of outlets switchable. But the "urgency" is not high enough yet, and other things are higher on the priority list.
And a star wiring topology for the consumers is not that much more expensive. It’s a pity that the original poster can’t or isn’t allowed to do any DIY work here. 😕
For that reason alone, it is a waste of money or, in other words, "luxury" or "comfort." Feel free to add any other fitting terms.
We also have a bit of smart home technology, but so far none of the power outlets are switchable. I still don’t see a reason to make more than three switchable. We have each room wired with three phases separately and could really make many outlets or groups of outlets switchable. But the "urgency" is not high enough yet, and other things are higher on the priority list.
And a star wiring topology for the consumers is not that much more expensive. It’s a pity that the original poster can’t or isn’t allowed to do any DIY work here. 😕
R
RotorMotor30 Aug 2022 10:37i_b_n_a_n schrieb:
For this reason alone, it is a waste of money or, in other words, a "luxury" or "comfort." The switchable and measurable outlets have not really added any luxury or comfort. That’s why it’s wasteful.
The ones that can actually measure active power are quite useful for identifying heavy consumers (ventilation, refrigerators, heat pumps, etc.).
It’s also kind of fun to "measure" whether the TV is on and control shading accordingly.
However, it doesn’t really work because OLEDs often keep consuming power after being switched off due to refresh cycles.
Then you end up sitting in the dark for 15 minutes. :-(
i_b_n_a_n schrieb:
And a star wiring topology for the consumers isn’t that much more expensive either. It’s a shame the original poster can’t or isn’t allowed to do any self-installation here 😕 Yeah, the wiring can definitely be done that way.
But that quickly means a larger distribution board, possibly more circuit breakers, possibly more RCDs, and actuators added.
Yes, KNX is definitely a luxury you treat yourself to.
However, when building a house (at least for us), you have to watch the budget.
The electrician described the star wiring as a major effort that requires a lot more time.
We can do some work ourselves, but unfortunately only AFTER handover and thus completion of the house.
We can install additional outlets ourselves, mount the switches and sensors, and possibly lay the bus cable over short distances.
For the conventional electrical installation, we wanted to do some outlets ourselves (e.g., upgrading a double socket to a quadruple socket), or possibly chase a small section of wall and install another outlet.
From your messages, I gathered that switchable outlets are actually pointless, or did I misunderstand that?
@RotorMotor Yes, the TV outlet was also my only idea for the socket, but with OLED, it seems that’s no longer necessary.
However, when building a house (at least for us), you have to watch the budget.
The electrician described the star wiring as a major effort that requires a lot more time.
i_b_n_a_n schrieb:
It’s a pity that the original poster can’t/couldn’t do any work themselves here 😕
We can do some work ourselves, but unfortunately only AFTER handover and thus completion of the house.
We can install additional outlets ourselves, mount the switches and sensors, and possibly lay the bus cable over short distances.
For the conventional electrical installation, we wanted to do some outlets ourselves (e.g., upgrading a double socket to a quadruple socket), or possibly chase a small section of wall and install another outlet.
From your messages, I gathered that switchable outlets are actually pointless, or did I misunderstand that?
@RotorMotor Yes, the TV outlet was also my only idea for the socket, but with OLED, it seems that’s no longer necessary.