ᐅ Gas Prices – Where Is Gas Still Affordable?

Deliverer schrieb:

Even with radiators, a heat pump won’t cost more than fifty bucks per month.

Hello

It’s incredible how arrogantly the Greens act. Suddenly, 600 euros (about 650 dollars) more per year. So what! They should just collect a few more bottles. Then it’ll balance out.
But since the Greens want to ban single-family homes anyway, we’ll soon be building tiny living units. And as for everything else: the Greens will ban that too.

Steven

Steven schrieb:

Hello

It’s unbelievable how arrogantly the Green Party is acting. Suddenly, an extra 600 euros per year. So what! They should just collect a few more bottles. Then it will balance out again.
But since the Green Party wants to ban single-family homes anyway, we’ll soon be building living closets. And the rest: the Green Party will ban those too.

Steven

I think he means the electricity consumption of a heat pump. Calculated over the year, that adds up. So it’s not additional costs, but rather compared to gas, lower costs. The question is when the heat pump will actually pay for itself.

Steven, before too many people read this, I recommend you try reading and understanding the passage you quoted once more and ONLY THEN respond.

Edit: too late...

Steven schrieb:

Hello

It’s unbelievable how arrogantly the Greens act. Just increasing costs by 600 euros per year. So what! They should just collect a few more bottles. Then it will balance out again.
But since the Greens want to ban single-family homes anyway, soon we will be building small living units. And the rest: the Greens will ban those too.

Steven

Please read first, then think, then post.

motorradsilke schrieb:

I believe he means the electricity consumption of a heat pump. Calculated over a year, that makes sense. So not additional costs, but compared to gas, lower costs. The question is when the expense for the heat pump will pay off.

Modern houses, with excellent insulation and heat pumps, all have the potential to be upgraded to net-positive energy homes.
The problem is that no one does it because it is not financially worthwhile for individuals.
We are also waiting for affordable photovoltaic systems and for the end of the photovoltaic gold rush.

Marvinius schrieb:

And my electric car runs on coal power. The absurd consequence of the energy transition

What you’re seeing is a snapshot within a decades-long transformation.
I always find this “impossible” argument amusing. “Electric cars are nonsense because there aren’t enough charging stations. And if everyone switched to electric, the power grid would collapse.” The same argument is being made _right now_, just before winter, regarding heat pumps. Probably too late ;-)

What we need is massive overcapacity of renewables. Then the low efficiency of the power-to-gas process won’t matter; we can simply burn or convert surplus electricity when renewables don’t produce enough.

By the way, the LNG terminals are just a fig leaf. Currently, fuel at the pump costs about 2 €/kg. One kilogram contains roughly 14 kWh (50 MJ) of energy. That equals approximately 14 cents per kWh, plus transmission/grid fees, additional taxes, and so on.
This reality won’t be hidden from the public by dozens of relief packages, price caps, or whatever measures are currently being pushed.

In my opinion, there are two options: either open Nord Stream 2 or pass “emergency laws” to ramp up production of heat pumps, renewables, and remove restrictive rules like the 10H regulation.
A move forward, so to speak.