ᐅ Construction of an approximately 190 sqm urban villa in Hesse (Wetterau district)

Created on: 10 Jul 2022 17:36
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Dribbdebach
Dear Homebuilding Community,

First of all, thank you very much for the countless tips and suggestions from all of you. I have been visiting this forum for many years and have always greatly benefited from it.

Accordingly, I would like to give something back by sharing our building project here. However, this is not entirely selfless—I welcome advice and recommendations.

For about 10 years, I have been searching for a house and have viewed many existing properties. Building was initially not an option, as plots were either unavailable or far too expensive. So far, I haven’t found the ideal house, but nearly 10 years ago I bought my first condominium and then a second one two years ago. Both apartments are now rented out, currently almost breaking even, and in about a year they will start generating income.

Fortunately, we have now purchased a plot in a new development area and, despite the challenging situation, want to fulfill the dream of owning our own house.

A few details about us:
  • 2 adults (40 years / 38 years), two children (elementary school age)
  • Net income including child benefits about 8000 euros
  • Rental income of approximately 1800 euros (currently nearly cost-neutral, from next year about 400 euros monthly profit, significantly more in the medium term as loans are gradually paid off)
  • Budget 850,000 euros (financing for the house construction is secured)
  • Land purchase costs including additional fees about 280,000 euros, already acquired
  • The apartments only make sense tax-wise when owned together and are not intended for sale. The budget could probably be increased slightly if necessary.


About the house:
  • KfW55 standard is sufficient for us and is also being offered
  • Urban villa on a slab foundation with porch, heat pump, photovoltaic system
  • Possibly with a small bay window at the front door and on the garden side
  • Ground floor with living room, open kitchen, utility room, study, guest toilet/shower
  • Upper floor with 2 children’s rooms, master bedroom, 2 bathrooms, guest room
  • Ceiling height 2.80 m (9 ft 2 in), electric roller shutters
  • Detached double garage


Regarding the budget for the house:
About 570,000 euros remain, we are estimating around 60,000 euros for additional construction-related costs.
Outdoor work will be done gradually by ourselves, a garage could also be postponed.
We therefore need a builder who can construct a house for about 470,000 euros. This is quite ambitious for the desired size. We have had many discussions at model homes, and most providers come in at a minimum of 500,000 euros.

Offer 1:
We have chosen a small regional builder who would construct a shell house in solid construction with Liapor (lightweight concrete). The price is fair for the quality offered and would be sufficient for us. However, we would only have a fixed price for the shell house. The remaining trades would be supervised by this builder but carried out by partner companies, and I believe fixed price guarantees here are unrealistic. Ideally, we would stay within budget, but the buffer would be very tight, and the outdoor areas and garage might initially be at risk or very minimal.
Here is my first question for you: The builder basically suits us, but we are unsure whether it is wise to forgo fixed prices due to war, inflation, and material shortages. While I see some chances for stable or even slightly lower prices due to a slowdown in construction orders, the inflation risk from the energy crisis might still dominate for now. Would you currently take such a risk?
A house potentially costing 1 million euros due to cost increases is really out of budget and, combined with rising interest rates, could become a long-term burden. It wouldn’t ruin us, but we would likely have to sell the (really nice) condominiums then.

Offer 2:
The alternative: A very large provider from a parent company that almost everyone here probably knows. Premium within the group, but overall very much focused on good value for money. Timber frame construction—not our favorite since we prefer solid construction—but based on information from this forum, I would probably be satisfied with this construction method in the end.
We received a good price offer there, close to 400,000 euros. After selecting many extras and special requests, I still ended up at about 450,000 euros. Not all line items are comparable with the first offer, but some things are included here that are not yet priced in the first offer.
With additional construction costs, outdoor work, and a double garage, we are still within the budget and could even spend around 20,000 euros more on selections.
There are positive reviews of this provider but also some very critical comments. Given the large number of houses they build annually, the number of critics may be appropriate in absolute terms, but you could certainly be one of them.
My further questions for you: How do you assess the risk of being let down by such a large provider? Would you choose a builder with a large budget who does not necessarily have a reputation for delivering houses to the highest standard? I do not intend to sell the house again, but future property valuation plays a role in refinancing at follow-up financing. If the house ever needs or should be sold, some buyers might be put off by the construction method or the original general contractor. Has anyone built with this provider or lives in one of their houses?

Floor plan designs are quite advanced and have been optimized multiple times. The development area is ready, and as financing is secured, construction should start soon. The second offer will expire soon, so the main decision now is basically for or against the second offer. With the first offer, it would still be possible to request new comparison offers. If we choose the second provider, we need to decide soon.

Thank you very much for any tips and recommendations. I am happy to provide further information.
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Dribbdebach
10 Jul 2022 18:42
Chloe83 schrieb:

What is the price for the shell construction? And would you need to tender and hire the companies for the interior finishing yourself?

The shell construction costs around 320,000 euros. The first supplier has partner companies for the interior finishing, which they supervise themselves. The quotes are just coming in now and so far they match with minor deviations. About 160,000 euros is budgeted for this. Tiling work is included, while other flooring and wall finishes would be an additional 30,000 euros. So I wouldn’t have to handle the tendering myself. Unfortunately, I don’t know how long the current quotes are valid. That could potentially lead to extra costs.
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ypg
10 Jul 2022 22:41
Dribbdebach schrieb:

I am unsure about what I am allowed to post here according to the forum rules, especially regarding what can be uploaded from the provider due to copyright issues.

Your photos, floor plans from general contractors, naming of companies, general contractors, and construction managers are mostly allowed.
No disparaging remarks, defamation, advertising, or links.
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Dribbdebach
10 Jul 2022 23:28
ypg schrieb:

Your photos, floor plans from general contractors, company names of contractors and construction managers, almost everything is allowed.
No disparagement, defamation, or advertising. And no links.

Thank you!
The local provider is Opti-Haus. They build about 10-15 houses per year, so probably no one here will know them. The Liapor walls come from FC Nüdling, a supplier I like.
The scope of work described by Opti-Haus includes very few tasks to be completed by the client, but most of the usual items still have to be covered. I believe you get a fairly good product for the prices asked. The sales manager is transparent about the company's history, so I am well informed.

The second offer is from Okal Haus. We used the Stadthaus 16 as a base and made some changes. Until early July, there was a €22,000 (about $24,000) discount (due to canceled KFW funding) on the houses, including this Stadthaus.
I have read and heard some positive things about Okal Haus, but there are also some negative reports. Considering they build around 1,000 houses per year, I don’t find the number of complaints particularly high. Still, I would appreciate it if you could share your experiences regarding the quality of workmanship, if possible.
The scope of work described by Okal Haus contains many pages listing tasks the client must handle, but from my perspective, there are no significant hidden costs. The biggest potential cost drivers (e.g., sloped site or difficult-to-work land) do not apply in my case.

Maybe this helps with assessing the situation.
Thank you very much!
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TmMike_2
11 Jul 2022 00:22
My only objection is: I’m not a fan of air-to-air heating systems. Otherwise, if a prefab house is your thing, go for it. It also depends a bit on personal preferences and the region.
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Dribbdebach
11 Jul 2022 00:38
TmMike_2 schrieb:

My only objection is:
I’m not a fan of air-to-air heating systems.
Otherwise, if a prefab house suits you, go for it.
It also depends a bit on personal preferences and the region.

We have switched to the internal air-to-water heat pump from Viessmann.
Can you approve that? 🙂
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TmMike_2
11 Jul 2022 00:39
Dribbdebach schrieb:

We switched to the built-in air-to-water heat pump from Viessmann.
Can you approve that? 🙂

No, I’m not familiar with Okal Haus. However, as long as it heats water for underfloor heating, it should be fine.