ᐅ Floor plan of a single-family detached house, urban villa style, approximately 2,600 sq ft, without a basement
Created on: 23 Apr 2022 11:06
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dkw8074
Hello,
we now have a plan that is already quite advanced for us. We have been considering for a long time whether to include a basement or not, as well as whether to use the attic space (see also https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/ausbau-dachgeschoss-bei-walmdach-als-kellerersatz.43148/).
Building Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 1170 m² (0.29 acres)
Slope: no
Floor area ratio: 0.4
Floor space index: 2
Number of parking spaces: 2 garage + 1 outdoor
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: urban villa
Orientation: southwest
Owner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: hipped roof urban villa
Basement, floors: trying to do without a basement
Number of occupants, age: 2 adults, 1 child currently
Space needs on ground floor and upper floor: rooms should be a comfortable size without being excessive
Office: family use or home office? both
Guest stays per year: 10-15 times for 2-3 days
Open or closed architecture: open towards the garden
Conservative or modern design: I would say a mix; in any case, the staircase should not be in the living room
Open kitchen, kitchen island: kitchen with pantry, a fully freestanding island is not necessary
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes
Balcony, roof terrace: no balcony, terrace with roof cover
Garage, carport: yes, 2 parking spaces plus motorcycle; 1 additional outdoor parking
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons why something should or should not be included
House Design
Who created the plan: a planner from a construction company
What do you particularly like? Why? We generally like the ground and upper floor because everything we wished for has been implemented
What do you dislike? Why? Placement of building services - perhaps try placing them under the stairs?
Price estimate according to architect/planner: 700k
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment: 800k
Preferred heating system: geothermal
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions
-can you do without: possibly a few square meters; a big question is whether the office/fitness room above the garage makes sense or if a basement would be better
-can’t give up: own master bathroom, laundry room upstairs
Why is the design the way it is now?
We had quite clear ideas based on reviewing standard floor plans. There were some changes and tests (basement yes/no, attic use yes/no).
What makes it, in your opinion, particularly good or bad? Very good implementation of our ideas and budget
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The approx. 30 m² (320 sq ft) room on the upper floor (office/fitness) and the larger storage room behind the garage are intended as a basement substitute. How do you like this solution with the partial overbuilding of the garage on the upper floor?
Thank you very much for your feedback!
we now have a plan that is already quite advanced for us. We have been considering for a long time whether to include a basement or not, as well as whether to use the attic space (see also https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/ausbau-dachgeschoss-bei-walmdach-als-kellerersatz.43148/).
Building Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 1170 m² (0.29 acres)
Slope: no
Floor area ratio: 0.4
Floor space index: 2
Number of parking spaces: 2 garage + 1 outdoor
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: urban villa
Orientation: southwest
Owner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: hipped roof urban villa
Basement, floors: trying to do without a basement
Number of occupants, age: 2 adults, 1 child currently
Space needs on ground floor and upper floor: rooms should be a comfortable size without being excessive
Office: family use or home office? both
Guest stays per year: 10-15 times for 2-3 days
Open or closed architecture: open towards the garden
Conservative or modern design: I would say a mix; in any case, the staircase should not be in the living room
Open kitchen, kitchen island: kitchen with pantry, a fully freestanding island is not necessary
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes
Balcony, roof terrace: no balcony, terrace with roof cover
Garage, carport: yes, 2 parking spaces plus motorcycle; 1 additional outdoor parking
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons why something should or should not be included
House Design
Who created the plan: a planner from a construction company
What do you particularly like? Why? We generally like the ground and upper floor because everything we wished for has been implemented
What do you dislike? Why? Placement of building services - perhaps try placing them under the stairs?
Price estimate according to architect/planner: 700k
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment: 800k
Preferred heating system: geothermal
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions
-can you do without: possibly a few square meters; a big question is whether the office/fitness room above the garage makes sense or if a basement would be better
-can’t give up: own master bathroom, laundry room upstairs
Why is the design the way it is now?
We had quite clear ideas based on reviewing standard floor plans. There were some changes and tests (basement yes/no, attic use yes/no).
What makes it, in your opinion, particularly good or bad? Very good implementation of our ideas and budget
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The approx. 30 m² (320 sq ft) room on the upper floor (office/fitness) and the larger storage room behind the garage are intended as a basement substitute. How do you like this solution with the partial overbuilding of the garage on the upper floor?
Thank you very much for your feedback!
11ant schrieb:
It’s difficult for me because the changes are, to put it mildly, “not very obvious,” meaning when I’m shown “new” floor plans as “spot-the-difference” images—without subtle hints about where the main changes are—I don’t have enough enthusiasm to find them. So I basically see “nothing” (except that there was no noticeable relaunch: the floor plans still indicate they were apparently not developed from the top down). Sorry, there was no complete relaunch either, but as mentioned, an adjustment based on the specific ideas from Würfel* that we really like. I would simply have liked to ask for feedback on that. Of course, if you think the floor plan is generally not sensible, then feedback on the adjustment doesn’t make much sense either. We are quite satisfied with the basic design for now but are still hoping for suggestions or ideas for optimization.
I don’t remember the exact thread history anymore, so please excuse if I’m repeating the question: what added value do you expect from the door between the garage and the cloakroom? I generally view these access points critically, as they are often justified by homeowners out of necessity, but I do see a benefit if there is direct access to storage areas that avoids significant detours.
In this case, I see neither. The “detour” to the entrance hall without this door from the garage would likely be about two meters (6.5 feet), and in my opinion, this clearly does not outweigh the gained floor space for the cloakroom.
In this case, I see neither. The “detour” to the entrance hall without this door from the garage would likely be about two meters (6.5 feet), and in my opinion, this clearly does not outweigh the gained floor space for the cloakroom.
dkw8074 schrieb:
If you naturally think that the floor plan is generally not practical, then feedback for adjustments doesn’t make much sense. For now, we are quite satisfied with the basic design. No, I don’t find the floor plan "generally impractical" at all – major differences compared to a house for me or for @Nordlys are objectively not negative points in themselves – so your satisfaction is certainly not "out of place" ;-)
What I’m missing for feedback, secondly, is an overview to quickly identify the changed points, and first of all I had already mentioned (and still see it not addressed) that the design (let’s say “rich in tricky detail connections”) will cause some headaches (or at least a smoking head) for the structural engineer, as well as reasons for thorough inspection by the expert. I didn’t mention the R.Hotzenplotz story without reason in my considerations (and I still find it worth your time to read).
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I find it much more appealing now. Okay, the exterior isn’t really my style, just like the mushroom-shaped roof, but it doesn’t have to please me.
Regarding the floor plan: finally, some light is coming into the house! However, the layout doesn’t suit the way I use the space: the kitchen ends up dark, while the sofa and relaxation area get the south-facing window, which will only be used in winter. The hidden and narrow pantry is also not to my liking. On the other hand, many things have improved.
The toilet on the ground floor is right by the door. A width of 1.50 m (5 feet) is not enough there. I would swap the toilet and the washbasin.
The bathroom with shower on the upper floor is poorly furnished as well. It should be enlarged by about 2 meters (6.5 feet); for example, the shower could be placed in the windowless corner, and the toilet turned so that natural daylight reaches the washbasin area.
The door to the multipurpose room should be placed centered to the staircase; otherwise, the sightline towards the stairs looks awkward.
Regarding the door to the garage/wardrobe: I promise you, the floor of that storage room will be covered with shoes. As a passageway room, it’s not practical for a household with children. Just yesterday on [Hausbauhelden], I heard again that they tend to use the covered front entrance and main door instead of going through the unattractive steel door. Without a door, the room can be better furnished and used more efficiently.
Edit/P.S. I haven’t compared this to the original version on the monitor since I still clearly remember the design with the kitchen extension and the dark multipurpose room 😉
Regarding the floor plan: finally, some light is coming into the house! However, the layout doesn’t suit the way I use the space: the kitchen ends up dark, while the sofa and relaxation area get the south-facing window, which will only be used in winter. The hidden and narrow pantry is also not to my liking. On the other hand, many things have improved.
The toilet on the ground floor is right by the door. A width of 1.50 m (5 feet) is not enough there. I would swap the toilet and the washbasin.
The bathroom with shower on the upper floor is poorly furnished as well. It should be enlarged by about 2 meters (6.5 feet); for example, the shower could be placed in the windowless corner, and the toilet turned so that natural daylight reaches the washbasin area.
The door to the multipurpose room should be placed centered to the staircase; otherwise, the sightline towards the stairs looks awkward.
Regarding the door to the garage/wardrobe: I promise you, the floor of that storage room will be covered with shoes. As a passageway room, it’s not practical for a household with children. Just yesterday on [Hausbauhelden], I heard again that they tend to use the covered front entrance and main door instead of going through the unattractive steel door. Without a door, the room can be better furnished and used more efficiently.
Edit/P.S. I haven’t compared this to the original version on the monitor since I still clearly remember the design with the kitchen extension and the dark multipurpose room 😉
Nemesis schrieb:
I don’t fully remember the entire thread, so apologies if this question has been asked before: What added benefit do you expect from the door between the garage and the cloakroom? I tend to view such connections critically, as they are often justified by homeowners out of convenience, but I do see a benefit if there is direct access to storage supplies, saving significant detours.
In this case, I see neither. The “detour” to the hallway without this door from the garage is probably about two meters (6.5 feet), and in my opinion, the additional floor space gained for the cloakroom does not outweigh that. Thank you very much for your input! We decided on this because it is very convenient with small children when going to and from the car. Also, the storage room behind the garage serves as a basement replacement, and here too it is very practical to fetch things without having to go outside. We are only “losing” the door, which we consider a worthwhile trade-off.
dkw8074 schrieb:
Thank you very much for your input! We decided on this because it’s very practical when you have small children for going to and from the car. Also, the storage room behind the garage serves as a basement substitute, and it’s very convenient to access items without having to go outside. We’re only losing the door here, which we think is worth it. Okay, it’s your decision, but I completely disagree. And I hadn’t even taken into account the very practical point raised by @ypg
ypg schrieb:
I promise you, the floor of the storage room will be covered in shoes. It’s not usable as a passage room in a household with children. From my point of view, that changes the situation from “no significant advantage” to “often an annoying or at least inconvenient situation” having to walk through there. Especially since the path around the outside is even covered.
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