ᐅ Floor plan of a single-family detached house, urban villa style, approximately 2,600 sq ft, without a basement
Created on: 23 Apr 2022 11:06
D
dkw8074
Hello,
we now have a plan that is already quite advanced for us. We have been considering for a long time whether to include a basement or not, as well as whether to use the attic space (see also https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/ausbau-dachgeschoss-bei-walmdach-als-kellerersatz.43148/).
Building Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 1170 m² (0.29 acres)
Slope: no
Floor area ratio: 0.4
Floor space index: 2
Number of parking spaces: 2 garage + 1 outdoor
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: urban villa
Orientation: southwest
Owner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: hipped roof urban villa
Basement, floors: trying to do without a basement
Number of occupants, age: 2 adults, 1 child currently
Space needs on ground floor and upper floor: rooms should be a comfortable size without being excessive
Office: family use or home office? both
Guest stays per year: 10-15 times for 2-3 days
Open or closed architecture: open towards the garden
Conservative or modern design: I would say a mix; in any case, the staircase should not be in the living room
Open kitchen, kitchen island: kitchen with pantry, a fully freestanding island is not necessary
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes
Balcony, roof terrace: no balcony, terrace with roof cover
Garage, carport: yes, 2 parking spaces plus motorcycle; 1 additional outdoor parking
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons why something should or should not be included
House Design
Who created the plan: a planner from a construction company
What do you particularly like? Why? We generally like the ground and upper floor because everything we wished for has been implemented
What do you dislike? Why? Placement of building services - perhaps try placing them under the stairs?
Price estimate according to architect/planner: 700k
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment: 800k
Preferred heating system: geothermal
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions
-can you do without: possibly a few square meters; a big question is whether the office/fitness room above the garage makes sense or if a basement would be better
-can’t give up: own master bathroom, laundry room upstairs
Why is the design the way it is now?
We had quite clear ideas based on reviewing standard floor plans. There were some changes and tests (basement yes/no, attic use yes/no).
What makes it, in your opinion, particularly good or bad? Very good implementation of our ideas and budget
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The approx. 30 m² (320 sq ft) room on the upper floor (office/fitness) and the larger storage room behind the garage are intended as a basement substitute. How do you like this solution with the partial overbuilding of the garage on the upper floor?
Thank you very much for your feedback!
we now have a plan that is already quite advanced for us. We have been considering for a long time whether to include a basement or not, as well as whether to use the attic space (see also https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/ausbau-dachgeschoss-bei-walmdach-als-kellerersatz.43148/).
Building Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 1170 m² (0.29 acres)
Slope: no
Floor area ratio: 0.4
Floor space index: 2
Number of parking spaces: 2 garage + 1 outdoor
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: urban villa
Orientation: southwest
Owner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: hipped roof urban villa
Basement, floors: trying to do without a basement
Number of occupants, age: 2 adults, 1 child currently
Space needs on ground floor and upper floor: rooms should be a comfortable size without being excessive
Office: family use or home office? both
Guest stays per year: 10-15 times for 2-3 days
Open or closed architecture: open towards the garden
Conservative or modern design: I would say a mix; in any case, the staircase should not be in the living room
Open kitchen, kitchen island: kitchen with pantry, a fully freestanding island is not necessary
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes
Balcony, roof terrace: no balcony, terrace with roof cover
Garage, carport: yes, 2 parking spaces plus motorcycle; 1 additional outdoor parking
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons why something should or should not be included
House Design
Who created the plan: a planner from a construction company
What do you particularly like? Why? We generally like the ground and upper floor because everything we wished for has been implemented
What do you dislike? Why? Placement of building services - perhaps try placing them under the stairs?
Price estimate according to architect/planner: 700k
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment: 800k
Preferred heating system: geothermal
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions
-can you do without: possibly a few square meters; a big question is whether the office/fitness room above the garage makes sense or if a basement would be better
-can’t give up: own master bathroom, laundry room upstairs
Why is the design the way it is now?
We had quite clear ideas based on reviewing standard floor plans. There were some changes and tests (basement yes/no, attic use yes/no).
What makes it, in your opinion, particularly good or bad? Very good implementation of our ideas and budget
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The approx. 30 m² (320 sq ft) room on the upper floor (office/fitness) and the larger storage room behind the garage are intended as a basement substitute. How do you like this solution with the partial overbuilding of the garage on the upper floor?
Thank you very much for your feedback!
dkw8074 schrieb:
This is a smaller construction company with a long-established very good reputation.Unfortunately, it is still not without risks if you deviate stylistically from their usual approach.dkw8074 schrieb:
Everyone says architects never stick to a budget, so why would that make any more sense?That’s nonsense, and I have explained (including here in this forum) several times in which cases, why, and for which types of architects that sometimes applies (but shouldn’t be generalized). It makes sense because an architect is trained in conceptual design, whereas a general contractor’s draftsman unquestioningly and without creativity adjusts client requests to meet planning permission and turns them into working drawings. If you are financially secure, they shouldn’t talk you out of features like roof terraces that would be fit for a governor’s New Year reception.dkw8074 schrieb:
Who is "Rensch-Haus"?Rensch-Haus is a German prefab home manufacturer with a design style I would call “Miami Vice architecture,” basically “US Mediterranean” style (also with hip roofs). That’s what you share with R.Hotzenplotz: this “hip roof neo-Bauhaus” look.dkw8074 schrieb:
No, the building site is towards the Slovenian border – I’m from Austria.I have not worked in that area so far.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
F
Fuchsbau3523 Apr 2022 20:51dkw8074 schrieb:
Thank you for your feedback. We are aware that prices are likely to keep rising. However, I have to work with the information provided by the construction companies, and currently, we are still within a safe range.
Off topic: I haven’t been around here for long, but it seems like you can say the budget is 10 million and someone will say it’s not enough 😉Thank you for not taking my opinion about the excessive size personally.
Ah, you’re building in Austria. Prices there may still be somewhat different. Overall, I think your project is very nice—just a bit oversized (my personal opinion).
I find a discussion about whether a house is too large to be unproductive, as long as it fits within the budget. I don’t get the impression here that money is the issue. For me, a much more important question is whether it makes sense to save money by not investing in a successful design from a true professional. You can always still build with the general contractor, but as for the design, if I were you, I would look for a proper architect.
I’m not really happy with the "open plan" as it is. The kitchen feels almost like a separate room because of the pantry, and the dining area doesn’t seem very spacious either.
Regarding the separate toilet and shower room upstairs: in some countries, this is quite common (I know it from Japan, and I’m sure there are others). Of course, the drainage systems have to be compatible (the shower is located directly above the ventilation shaft, if I’m seeing that correctly – no idea if that works), but I don’t necessarily see a problem with having them separate. I think often the rooms are placed next to each other for connection reasons (though that’s not absolutely required).
A friend of mine wanted the same (without any connection to Japan) and in the end he was persuaded to add a toilet in the larger bathroom "because that’s how it’s usually done"... and now it’s practically only used when overnight guests might use it before or after showering (so, almost never) (otherwise, guests just use the separate toilet).
Regarding the separate toilet and shower room upstairs: in some countries, this is quite common (I know it from Japan, and I’m sure there are others). Of course, the drainage systems have to be compatible (the shower is located directly above the ventilation shaft, if I’m seeing that correctly – no idea if that works), but I don’t necessarily see a problem with having them separate. I think often the rooms are placed next to each other for connection reasons (though that’s not absolutely required).
A friend of mine wanted the same (without any connection to Japan) and in the end he was persuaded to add a toilet in the larger bathroom "because that’s how it’s usually done"... and now it’s practically only used when overnight guests might use it before or after showering (so, almost never) (otherwise, guests just use the separate toilet).
K a t j a schrieb:
I find discussions about whether a house is too large to be of little use, as long as it fits the budget.That a free person is allowed to invest their money in square meters is one thing. Another, in my opinion, is that it makes a difference whether the extra square meters are added out of desire (i.e., the attitude of "I’m treating myself") or whether they unintentionally arise as a “by-product” of unprofessional planning. In the latter case, the additional costs usually do not come with an increase in enjoyment.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
K a t j a schrieb:
I find discussions about whether a house is too big rather unproductive, as long as it fits within the budget. I don't get the impression that money is the issue here. A much more important question for me would be whether it’s wise to save money on a well-executed design by a true professional. You can always still build with a general contractor, but when it comes to planning, I would look for a proper architect if I were you.Cutting costs on the design phase is obviously not very smart. So far, we have actually decided against an architect because we had pretty clear ideas ourselves. But if it turns out that our concepts and the way they have been implemented in the planning are not optimal in some areas, then we need to reconsider this. Saving money was not the main reason behind our decision...
Similar topics