Hello everyone,
Starting tomorrow, our interior walls will be finished with Q2 plaster.
We will carry out the painting work ourselves a few weeks later.
Now we are wondering what would be the best option for this.
We have currently considered several options but are still unsure which one we prefer (cost/effort).
1. Simply paint with EasyKnauf roll plaster (fine texture)
2. Apply painter’s fleece underneath and paint with EasyKnauf roll plaster (fine texture)
3. Apply painter’s fleece underneath and paint with standard emulsion paint
4. Use textured wallpaper (Raufaser) and then paint over it
We generally don’t like ceilings and walls to be completely smooth – a fine texture is perfectly fine.
What have you done in similar situations? If it wasn’t a DIY job: What did your painter do?
Any tips/tricks/notes on this?
Starting tomorrow, our interior walls will be finished with Q2 plaster.
We will carry out the painting work ourselves a few weeks later.
Now we are wondering what would be the best option for this.
We have currently considered several options but are still unsure which one we prefer (cost/effort).
1. Simply paint with EasyKnauf roll plaster (fine texture)
2. Apply painter’s fleece underneath and paint with EasyKnauf roll plaster (fine texture)
3. Apply painter’s fleece underneath and paint with standard emulsion paint
4. Use textured wallpaper (Raufaser) and then paint over it
We generally don’t like ceilings and walls to be completely smooth – a fine texture is perfectly fine.
What have you done in similar situations? If it wasn’t a DIY job: What did your painter do?
Any tips/tricks/notes on this?
Tolentino schrieb:
As a plasterer, he has to say that.
At my neighbor’s place, the painter offered both options, and the painter’s fleece was actually more expensive. That makes sense because at least one round of filling and sanding is needed anyway. The actual wallpapering is probably easier and faster than filling and sanding three more times. The neighbor then chose to fill and sand and is satisfied. But I think the painter regretted it. He probably worked there for three weeks. He was working alone and not every day, but he really had to make many trips.
I’m currently having rough sanding, filling, and wallpapering with painter’s fleece done, but only on the ground floor. It costs 4,000 EUR plus materials (which I provide). I still have to do the painting myself. So, I’m currently still waiting for the plasterer’s quote but wanted to get a sense of the usual price range.
We have a quote from the painter for wallpapering with painter’s fleece of 1,700 EUR, including materials and all (complete service).
We would take care of sanding the ceiling ourselves, as well as priming, so the painter would only have to apply the painter’s fleece.
We would also do the application of dispersion paint on the painter’s fleece ourselves (2 buckets at 100 EUR each).
As mentioned, the plasterer recommended that we JUST do filling, sanding, and spray on the paint, without any painter’s fleece. He said that’s no longer necessary then. I’m curious what that option will cost, but I think it will be the simplest and best approach. Possibly even cheaper than just having the painter apply the painter’s fleece?
Nida35a schrieb:
ask the painter,
he will tell you the advantages of fleece wallpaper.
When "selling," you don’t have to mention the disadvantages; with five advantages, the customer usually thinks there are none.
We have ceilings and walls covered with fleece wallpaper and painted with different colors (by the painter). Advantages of fleece wallpaper:
- smooth surface
- possibly fewer cracks (but we have two concrete ceilings and no wood construction in the building, so conditions here are relatively good)
Are there any other significant advantages compared to fully skim-coating with paint?
No, you basically said it already. The final result will look the same. But to prevent cracks, only fleece (if at all) helps, and you usually find that at the transition between concrete ceilings and non-concrete walls.
On top of that, with your painter’s quote, you naturally took on the more complex steps yourself. Sanding a concrete ceiling is a different task than sanding plaster.
You also have to do some filling there.
So yes, wait for the plasterer’s quote. I would ask the painter exactly how much it would cost just to do one round of filling and sanding (as preparation for wallpapering). The wallpapering for 1700 doesn’t look promising to me (I actually consider that the easier part) – but including materials, it might well be different...
On top of that, with your painter’s quote, you naturally took on the more complex steps yourself. Sanding a concrete ceiling is a different task than sanding plaster.
You also have to do some filling there.
So yes, wait for the plasterer’s quote. I would ask the painter exactly how much it would cost just to do one round of filling and sanding (as preparation for wallpapering). The wallpapering for 1700 doesn’t look promising to me (I actually consider that the easier part) – but including materials, it might well be different...
Tolentino schrieb:
No, you basically said it already. The final result will look the same. But only fleece (if anything) helps against cracks, and that’s actually always used at the joint between concrete ceilings and non-concrete walls.
On top of that, with the painter’s quote you’ve of course taken on the more complex steps yourself. Sanding a concrete ceiling is a different job than sanding gypsum plaster.
You’ll also have to fill (putty) it there.
So yes, wait for the plasterer’s quote. I would specifically ask the painter how much even just one round of filling and sanding (as preparation for wallpapering) would cost. However, wallpapering for 1700 won’t promise much (in my opinion it’s the easier part) – although with materials that changes again... Alright, then I’ll wait for the plasterer’s quote. But I don’t really think it’s worth spending EXTRA on painter’s fleece... I really want to save those 2,000€. I’ve also seen at my neighbor’s that cracks appear despite painter’s fleece. The real question is whether the price-performance ratio really makes sense here if the appearance is the same or even better with proper filling.
You’re right... Honestly, I don’t feel like sanding the ceiling either, so I’d prefer the plasterer’s method!
Nida35a schrieb:
We have several colored walls (e.g. aubergine and green), and there’s also a poster glued on. I wouldn’t have wanted that directly on the plaster.
We have a solid house, and there are always cracks in the gypsum plaster. Of course, we will be painting everything with textured paint and will apply the colors on that (decorative quartz), so not directly on the gypsum plaster.
Tolentino schrieb:
Oh, and ask the painter what weight of painter’s fleece he plans to use in the quote. If it’s something like a 40g/m² tissue paper, you might as well skip it. I’d say a minimum of 120g/m². I’ll ask if painter’s fleece is still an option. But it sounded like he’s using good quality material.
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