Hello everyone,
In about three weeks, we are supposed to finalize our electrical planning on site. Unfortunately, our electrician is somewhat old-fashioned, which makes it difficult for me to collaboratively plan a future-proof electrical setup with him. Therefore, I am currently educating myself to ensure that the networking in our single-family home is fundamentally future-proof.
Basically, it’s about the LAN network... LAN wall outlets are relatively expensive, so proper planning is even more important.
About us:
- Mid to late 20s – couple without children. Planning for 2 children in the near future.
- Single-family house with a usable basement, 2 full floors, and fully equipped with concrete ceilings
- Utility room in the basement with air-to-water heat pump, ventilation system, photovoltaic system
- The router is planned to be located in the office on the ground floor
- The upper floor includes bathroom / bedroom / 2 children’s rooms
- No satellite dish or cable TV — we will use Internet TV exclusively!
Now, I am struggling to network our single-family home sensibly but as cost-effectively as possible.
I have the following questions:
1. Slightly off-topic: In the living room, I would like to have an in-wall conduit installed on the TV wall (the TV will be wall-mounted) so that no cables are visible. Is this sensible and affordable? I will get exact prices from my electrician if this makes sense at all. Would it also make sense to install power outlets at TV height? How do you plan the connections on your media wall reasonably? What should be considered?
Since we plan to use a Magenta TV box and thus IP-TV, a total of four LAN ports in the living room area would presumably be useful, right?
2. How many LAN outlets and especially where should LAN outlets be installed? Mainly: which cable? Is CAT6 sufficient?
→ Such a double LAN outlet certainly costs close to €200, so planning must be really sensible.
Is it really necessary to install 2 double LAN outlets in each children’s room? I always wonder: what is actually going to be plugged in there?
One port for the TV and one port for a multimedia device should be enough, right? So four connections would probably be overkill, correct?
The fact is: It will certainly take years or decades before our children actually use these outlets... Who knows what changes might happen by then? Therefore, could we not cost-effectively use empty conduits (empty pipes) instead?
Is it also possible to “branch off” from an existing double outlet afterward to add more ports for the room? What should be considered here? Or should we consider having an empty conduit prepared in another spot in the room so that a socket can be installed later?
3. How do you solve the “router problem”? Should the one router be placed in the office (ground floor) with LAN outlets in the existing bedrooms upstairs to ensure a stable LAN connection? Or is a router upstairs absolutely necessary?
4. How important are LAN outlets in the utility room? Should the router possibly even be located in the utility room? Because of the concrete ceiling between basement and ground floor, a second router would almost certainly be needed. How should this situation be handled with a basement?
5. What do you think about installing empty conduits for CAT cables in the kitchen / hallway etc. to enable later retrofitting? Is this relatively affordable in new builds?
I would appreciate any feedback so we can make the best possible plans 🙂
In about three weeks, we are supposed to finalize our electrical planning on site. Unfortunately, our electrician is somewhat old-fashioned, which makes it difficult for me to collaboratively plan a future-proof electrical setup with him. Therefore, I am currently educating myself to ensure that the networking in our single-family home is fundamentally future-proof.
Basically, it’s about the LAN network... LAN wall outlets are relatively expensive, so proper planning is even more important.
About us:
- Mid to late 20s – couple without children. Planning for 2 children in the near future.
- Single-family house with a usable basement, 2 full floors, and fully equipped with concrete ceilings
- Utility room in the basement with air-to-water heat pump, ventilation system, photovoltaic system
- The router is planned to be located in the office on the ground floor
- The upper floor includes bathroom / bedroom / 2 children’s rooms
- No satellite dish or cable TV — we will use Internet TV exclusively!
Now, I am struggling to network our single-family home sensibly but as cost-effectively as possible.
I have the following questions:
1. Slightly off-topic: In the living room, I would like to have an in-wall conduit installed on the TV wall (the TV will be wall-mounted) so that no cables are visible. Is this sensible and affordable? I will get exact prices from my electrician if this makes sense at all. Would it also make sense to install power outlets at TV height? How do you plan the connections on your media wall reasonably? What should be considered?
Since we plan to use a Magenta TV box and thus IP-TV, a total of four LAN ports in the living room area would presumably be useful, right?
2. How many LAN outlets and especially where should LAN outlets be installed? Mainly: which cable? Is CAT6 sufficient?
→ Such a double LAN outlet certainly costs close to €200, so planning must be really sensible.
Is it really necessary to install 2 double LAN outlets in each children’s room? I always wonder: what is actually going to be plugged in there?
One port for the TV and one port for a multimedia device should be enough, right? So four connections would probably be overkill, correct?
The fact is: It will certainly take years or decades before our children actually use these outlets... Who knows what changes might happen by then? Therefore, could we not cost-effectively use empty conduits (empty pipes) instead?
Is it also possible to “branch off” from an existing double outlet afterward to add more ports for the room? What should be considered here? Or should we consider having an empty conduit prepared in another spot in the room so that a socket can be installed later?
3. How do you solve the “router problem”? Should the one router be placed in the office (ground floor) with LAN outlets in the existing bedrooms upstairs to ensure a stable LAN connection? Or is a router upstairs absolutely necessary?
4. How important are LAN outlets in the utility room? Should the router possibly even be located in the utility room? Because of the concrete ceiling between basement and ground floor, a second router would almost certainly be needed. How should this situation be handled with a basement?
5. What do you think about installing empty conduits for CAT cables in the kitchen / hallway etc. to enable later retrofitting? Is this relatively affordable in new builds?
I would appreciate any feedback so we can make the best possible plans 🙂
Well, fortunately the situation isn’t completely hopeless. Connecting to the outlet via cable is at least better than using a repeater. (It’s embarrassing that an electrician would call it that.)
If there is a power outlet nearby, you can at least use AVM access points. Even if not mounted on the ceiling, it’s still much better than a repeater in any case.
If there is a power outlet nearby, you can at least use AVM access points. Even if not mounted on the ceiling, it’s still much better than a repeater in any case.
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Pumpernickel116 Jan 2022 11:26Tarnari schrieb:
Well, fortunately the connection at the outlet is at least a direct cable, so it’s not a repeater. (It's embarrassing that an electrician calls it that.)
If there is also a power outlet nearby, you can at least use the AVM access points. Even if not mounted on the ceiling, that is still much better than a repeater. That’s how we will do it as well. In the attic, we have a storage room where we have planned the network and power outlets. We will then connect our own access point there.
Pumpernickel1 schrieb:
That's how we will do it as well. In the attic, we have a storage room where we planned the network and power outlets. We will connect an access point there ourselves.Too bad. I would have installed the APs on the ceiling. It really shouldn't be a problem to run 2-3 more cables. But well. Your decision.M
majuhenema16 Jan 2022 12:36AMNE3IA schrieb:
It really shouldn’t fail because of just 2-3 more cables.After dealing with this topic, I find two things about some homeowners quite surprising.
1.) How often it happens that they have little to no understanding of the subject, even though they have a strong need for internet (social media, home office, work).
2.) How, as this example shows, the electrician has so little knowledge (a moderate criticism), but then arrogantly presents this lack of knowledge as if it were expertise (a major criticism). I also want to add a second "what a pity." You have "network outlets everywhere." Here you get the useful advice to install access points on the ceiling due to how they function. It probably wouldn’t even cost more if you left out a network outlet on the wall for that purpose. Instead, you plan to put an access point in the storage room in the attic.
I want to end with my own question:
We have planned two outdoor network connections: one for an outdoor access point and one for the patio roof. I recently spoke with the customer service from the patio roofing company. They said their patio roof can’t connect to the network at all and is only controlled via radio signal. An app-based control is not possible.
Can someone give me some feedback on this?
How have you implemented your outdoor connections specifically? Where should the cables come out of the wall? Below the suspended ceiling where the patio roof is attached, and preferably not in the middle but rather more to the left or right?
majuhenema schrieb:
Can someone give me some feedback on this?They use Somfy, the most isolated stand-alone solution on the planet.
majuhenema schrieb:
Instead, you are planning an access point in the storage room in the attic. Teenagers love windowless rooms and good Wi-Fi, so why not combine the two? *LOL*
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