ᐅ Floor Plan Design for New Single-Family Home – 610 sqm Plot – Feedback Welcome

house4family schrieb:

Unfortunately, we are building without a basement, so a certain amount of storage space obviously has to be incorporated on the upper floors. Our list of requirements led to these floor plan dimensions.

These are two completely different things and not meaningfully interchangeable: if you add storage space to replace a cellar, you end up solving one problem by creating another, and you might throw the baby out with the bathwater in the process:

house4family schrieb:

That’s an important point... we also have great respect for our initial offer. It will show whether we need to go back to the drawing board to cut about one third more or if it will work as is.

You can’t simply scale designs up or down to fit the budget; clarifying the budget is part of the preliminary work, essentially at the transition from project phase 1 to phase 2.

Amateur planners tend to focus too much on a nice layout of their wishes – but really, everyone should be grateful if their wallet prevents them from going overboard, because bigger doesn’t automatically mean better when it comes to house construction. At some point, some education policymakers must have irresponsibly decided to remove the story of the fisherman and his wife from the schoolbooks :-(

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11ant schrieb:

These are two completely different things and cannot be reasonably converted against each other: building storage space to replace warehouse space is like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire, and in the end, you throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Designs cannot simply be scaled according to the budget; budget clarification is part of the initial assessment phase, essentially the transition from design phase 1 to design phase 2.

Amateur planners tend to focus too much on a pleasant arrangement of their wishes—although one really has to hope that their wallet prevents them from going overboard, because making something bigger does not make a house more beautiful. At some point, some education policymakers must have irresponsibly decided to remove the story of the fisherman and his wife from the textbooks :-(

Phew, these clichés again...
Dear 11ant, why don’t you tell me what the gross floor area (GFA) per square meter in Lower Saxony will cost in the next two months for this single-family house.
That would be interesting!
Prosaic remarks don’t really help me or probably most other readers of this topic.
Perhaps you could focus your further comments on other subject areas.
The forum is big enough, and you can still collect plenty of comment points there.

house4family schrieb:

Phew, these clichés again...
Dear 11ant, why don’t you tell me what the gross floor area price per square meter in Lower Saxony will be for this single-family home in the next two months.
That would be interesting!

Well, some truths are the same for Beckers as they are for Schmidts. And if you are still calculating "budget divided by price per square meter equals possible house size (whether you actually need it or not)," then it seems you haven’t understood at least my previous post.

house4family schrieb:

Prosaic remarks don’t help me or probably most other readers of this thread.
Maybe you should focus your further comments on other topics.
The forum is large enough, and you can still collect plenty of comment points there.

You seriously underestimate the readers here (and/or confuse the role of a thread starter with the non-existent role of a thread owner). I’m not writing just for you: look behind you—just like with other thread starters, there are on average about ten readers following along—and that’s not even counting the “silent” ones. By the way, I never collect points anywhere, even if every cashier asks me for them.

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11ant schrieb:

By the way, I never collect points anywhere, even if every cashier asks me.

Payback points are great though—I use them to fully pay for a drugstore shopping trip worth three-digit euro amounts every six months. 😀

Anyway, back to the topic:
I don’t actually know a solution that saves lots of square meters, but maybe I really should ask a "proper" architect. Here’s what I like about the ground floor in the designs:

• Living / dining / kitchen arranged slightly around a corner / angled, not completely straight and narrow → cozier
• Space in the living room for a Christmas tree or a decorative piece of furniture (often lost in smaller floor plans)
• Room for 10–12 people to sit comfortably (even here it’s just barely enough?)
• Kitchen with a pantry (currently we have a very small, awkward pantry, and although I hate how cramped it is, I still love it)
• Large office on the ground floor—for us a must-have (remote office) and it exceeds most “standard” single-family house floor plans
• Toilet (no shower needed)
• Coat area behind a partition wall, preferably a niche—I currently have it open in the hallway and it looks too messy for my taste
• Utility/technical room separated and away from the living room and separate from the laundry room (I could live without this, but it’s a nice-to-have)

I have looked at many floor plans, already with the last house, and again now, and on smaller total square meters I never find enough space for all of this. Or maybe I really should commission an architect’s drawing. What would one typically pay roughly for someone to just create a design (without intending to actually build from it)?

11ant schrieb:

Well, some truths are just the same for Beckers as they are for Schmidts. And if you still calculate “budget divided by price per square meter equals possible house size (whether you actually need it or not),” then it seems you didn’t quite understand my previous post.

You are seriously underestimating the readers here (and/or confusing the role of a thread opener with the non-existent role of a thread owner). I am not writing here just for you: turn around, behind you—as with other original posters—there are on average ten readers following, statistically speaking—and that doesn’t even count the “silent” ones. By the way, I never collect points anywhere, even if every cashier asks me for them.

I wonder who you are trying to impress here...
Unfortunately, tense forum participants seem to be unavoidable these days.

I understand that everyone needs a hobby, and for some it is probably more than that—
If you can’t help yourself, keep writing; I will simply no longer respond to unqualified and inappropriate attacks.

kati1337 schrieb:

Payback points are great though; I use them to pay for a full drugstore shopping trip every six months, worth a three-digit amount in euros.

Oh, are you really a Douglette? – I thought you earned your living as a nerd?

kati1337 schrieb:

I just don’t know of any solution that saves a lot of square meters, but maybe I really should ask a "proper" architect.

Apparently you do know, because that’s exactly what it is.

kati1337 schrieb:

I have looked at many floor plans, already for the last house and now again, and I’m never able to fit everything into smaller square meter numbers. Or maybe I should finally request an architect’s design. What would you roughly pay for something like that if you just ask someone to create a design (without intending to build with it)?

What speaks against building a very similar house in your particular case? You can certainly hire architects just for design phases 1 and 2. Do you really need more input than what you could get from @kbt09 or @Würfel*? … I could tell you how to contact @kaho674 …

house4family schrieb:

You unfortunately have to expect uptight forum members everywhere these days.

That’s not a problem; it doesn’t harm the usefulness for other readers, and I can deal with it – all good 🙂

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