ᐅ Solid wood house / partial self-construction, wall structure / differences
Created on: 13 Oct 2013 09:46
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Ralf-Bux
Good morning,
I am new here... and also new to the topic of “building a house.”
My wife and I have already read quite a bit, but we are not professionals.
We want to build a healthy single-family wooden house for our family of four.
The choice between wood and stone is no longer a question for us. It will clearly be wood.
Until now, we thought it would be a solid wood house. At first, a modern log house, but after further research, we have now settled on Holz 100 or rather “Only Wood” by Rombach.
After several discussions with general contractors, carpenters, etc., we finally consulted an architect (it would then be KfW 40 standard) who told us that we would be better off with a wood frame construction.
We are generally aware of the differences, but we are not really sure and would be very grateful for your opinions.
Especially the technical pros and cons regarding energy efficiency, building ecology, wall construction...
We are planning a 130sqm (1400 sq ft) single-family house with 4 bedrooms plus a spare room... and of course kitchen and other rooms. No basement. The plot is already owned. Heating should be provided only by a masonry heater. Hot water with an on-demand water heater + photovoltaics. (If necessary, infrared heating).
The budget is clearly set at 210,000 EUR for everything. That will be challenging, of course, but we have several craftsmen in the family and plan to do quite a bit of the work ourselves.
Thank you very much...
Ralf
I am new here... and also new to the topic of “building a house.”
My wife and I have already read quite a bit, but we are not professionals.
We want to build a healthy single-family wooden house for our family of four.
The choice between wood and stone is no longer a question for us. It will clearly be wood.
Until now, we thought it would be a solid wood house. At first, a modern log house, but after further research, we have now settled on Holz 100 or rather “Only Wood” by Rombach.
After several discussions with general contractors, carpenters, etc., we finally consulted an architect (it would then be KfW 40 standard) who told us that we would be better off with a wood frame construction.
We are generally aware of the differences, but we are not really sure and would be very grateful for your opinions.
Especially the technical pros and cons regarding energy efficiency, building ecology, wall construction...
We are planning a 130sqm (1400 sq ft) single-family house with 4 bedrooms plus a spare room... and of course kitchen and other rooms. No basement. The plot is already owned. Heating should be provided only by a masonry heater. Hot water with an on-demand water heater + photovoltaics. (If necessary, infrared heating).
The budget is clearly set at 210,000 EUR for everything. That will be challenging, of course, but we have several craftsmen in the family and plan to do quite a bit of the work ourselves.
Thank you very much...
Ralf
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friedrich2725 Nov 2013 13:20Hello KAHO 647, you have actually provided my counterargument yourself. So-called expert!!! To me, an expert or a qualified company is a local architecture or engineering firm. Membership in a professional chamber and proof of qualifications in the region are essential. If you’re building a prefabricated house, you should go to a company that is quality-monitored and organized within the prefabricated house association. If you’re building a timber frame house, you go to a craft business that is registered with the chamber and holds certifications from GHAD, DHV, etc. With wet construction, it’s a bit more complicated because, to my knowledge, there are no certifications like those for timber construction. But even there, solutions exist. Local companies that have been established in the market for a long time are also a good indicator of quality work.
None of this guarantees 100% protection against shoddy workmanship, but it significantly reduces the likelihood. Even if poor work occurs, these companies will do everything possible to fix it. They have a reputation to protect. I don’t watch these shows regularly, but so far none of the companies featured have met the above criteria.
However, that is not the main issue here, since the original poster is tied to certain key points based on how they gathered information. Since they exclude CLT (cross-laminated timber) and timber frame construction because of the glue issue (usually involving OSB as well), cannot afford the preferred Rombach and Holz100 systems, and in their desperation turn to possible alternatives (log houses and even timber frame with interior nailed log planks—whatever sense that makes), it’s difficult to see that log planks usually also have to be glued, and that the entire log house structure must be sealed and braced properly. Who can untangle this confusion besides an expert as described above????? The forum probably can’t manage that, or can it?????
Regards, friedrich27
None of this guarantees 100% protection against shoddy workmanship, but it significantly reduces the likelihood. Even if poor work occurs, these companies will do everything possible to fix it. They have a reputation to protect. I don’t watch these shows regularly, but so far none of the companies featured have met the above criteria.
However, that is not the main issue here, since the original poster is tied to certain key points based on how they gathered information. Since they exclude CLT (cross-laminated timber) and timber frame construction because of the glue issue (usually involving OSB as well), cannot afford the preferred Rombach and Holz100 systems, and in their desperation turn to possible alternatives (log houses and even timber frame with interior nailed log planks—whatever sense that makes), it’s difficult to see that log planks usually also have to be glued, and that the entire log house structure must be sealed and braced properly. Who can untangle this confusion besides an expert as described above????? The forum probably can’t manage that, or can it?????
Regards, friedrich27
Bauexperte schrieb:
You are self-employed and should understand how important expert consultation is, even in your seller’s market. Is that what you meant? Here is the preceding sentence again:
Bauexperte schrieb:
A very strange question coming from a self-employed person who relies on consumers’ budgets / wallets—especially since the question itself implies that the desire to build takes precedence over any sensible consideration. Am I wrong?
Anyway, now things are clearer. Surely you are right about house building, but that is not a universal rule.
For my products, about 99% of customers do not seek consultation (low involvement)—fortunately.
Bauexperte schrieb:
Consumers’ budgets = dependent on customer behavior—unbearable Internet half-knowledge suggesting everything can be done cheaper (of course assuming the same quality). Probably a topic that makes developers and construction professionals furious. *lol*
Bauexperte schrieb:
I always like to know who I’m dealing with and how to evaluate statements, especially if the given profile reveals little. Therefore, I know what line of work you are in—thanks to Aunt Google and the like, not so difficult these days. I can also do a little advertising here, so everyone will know immediately and won’t wonder where you alone got that information from?
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Bauexperte25 Nov 2013 13:40Hello,
If you were confronted with this daily, you probably wouldn’t find it very funny either. The further consequence is often posts in forums like this one, which are based on stubbornness but blame the supplier for the (avoidable) damage. Looking back today, I am grateful that my partner was persistent enough to make me realize – at least for our business – that I cannot save everyone from themselves.
I guess the admin wouldn’t like that. Anyone who can use the internet and is interested in what you do professionally will find out on their own.
Regards, Bauexperte
kaho674 schrieb:
This is probably a topic that drives developers and construction professionals crazy. *lol*
If you were confronted with this daily, you probably wouldn’t find it very funny either. The further consequence is often posts in forums like this one, which are based on stubbornness but blame the supplier for the (avoidable) damage. Looking back today, I am grateful that my partner was persistent enough to make me realize – at least for our business – that I cannot save everyone from themselves.
kaho674 schrieb:
I can also do a bit of advertising here, so everyone knows right away and doesn’t wonder where you’re the only one who knows that?
I guess the admin wouldn’t like that. Anyone who can use the internet and is interested in what you do professionally will find out on their own.
Regards, Bauexperte
Bauexperte schrieb:
...that the builders shown there wanted to buy a Bentley at the price of a Lupo.That is probably correct. For a layperson, the problem is more that so many Bentleys are being offered at the price of Lupos. That’s why these future homeowners keep wandering around our house, desperately wondering, "Who did they hire as the developer to have made it this far already?"Bauexperte schrieb:
...the wall installation went smoothly. The "documenting" film crew didn’t like that for their script. So everything had to be dismantled again, and they had to wait for windy weather. Only after filming those scenes—shaking walls—did the film crew leave satisfied.
Regards, BauexperteOf course, I don’t have that insider knowledge.Bauexperte schrieb:
Anyone who knows how to use the internet and is also interested in what you do professionally will find it.
Regards, Bauexperte So definitely real hackers, but otherwise, this worries me now...
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friedrich2725 Nov 2013 14:12Heeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhh, can you two quarrelers calm down already??????????????? Everyone means the same thing, but you’re arguing fiercely.
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