ᐅ Floor plan single-family house, 2 full stories, approximately 180 m² living area – 760 m² plot size
Created on: 17 Nov 2021 19:44
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Humpfrey
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 760m² (8,180 sq ft)
Slope - No
Site coverage ratio -
Floor area ratio -
Building window, building line, and boundary -
Edge development - surrounding mostly 2 to 2.5 full stories; gable roofs
Number of parking spaces - 2 spaces in front of garage + possibly additional parking in front of the house
Number of stories - 2 full stories
Roof type - double shed roof / staggered shed roof
Architectural style -
Orientation
Maximum heights / limits - unknown
Further requirements - NO development plan -> §34 Federal Building Code
Owners’ Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type -
Basement, stories: basement yes, 2 full stories
Number of occupants, age: 2 adults + 2 children planned
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor -
Office: home office; possibly as bedroom in old age
Annual guest sleepers: <5
Open or closed architecture: preferably open on ground floor/living area, closed areas upstairs
Conservative or modern construction - currently planned as solid timber construction (is this what is meant by construction method)
Open kitchen, kitchen island: both yes
Number of dining seats: 8+
Fireplace: no / not planned
Music/stereo wall: just a media wall 🙂
Balcony, roof terrace: no, only a terrace on the ground floor
Garage, carport: double garage
Current plan should allow for a separate living unit upstairs (granny flat / separate apartment) and living on the ground floor in old age.
House Design
Planning by:
-planner from a construction company based on our ideas
Price estimate according to architect/planner: not yet known
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings:
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump
What do you especially like? Why?
We really like the setback in the house design visually, but we are quite unsure whether this might make the kitchen/dining area too cramped and small. We tend to “expand” it again to simply have a rectangular house with a bit more space.
Why is the design the way it is now?
Draft by the house planner based on our sketches/ideas
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Does the plan function as we imagine? We worry the kitchen/dining/living area feels cramped. We want an open/spacious living area with bright rooms.
Some opinions / assessments of the plan would be appreciated 🙂
PS: The latest attached plans lack a north arrow, so I’ve also included an earlier version with a north arrow.
Plot size: 760m² (8,180 sq ft)
Slope - No
Site coverage ratio -
Floor area ratio -
Building window, building line, and boundary -
Edge development - surrounding mostly 2 to 2.5 full stories; gable roofs
Number of parking spaces - 2 spaces in front of garage + possibly additional parking in front of the house
Number of stories - 2 full stories
Roof type - double shed roof / staggered shed roof
Architectural style -
Orientation
Maximum heights / limits - unknown
Further requirements - NO development plan -> §34 Federal Building Code
Owners’ Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type -
Basement, stories: basement yes, 2 full stories
Number of occupants, age: 2 adults + 2 children planned
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor -
Office: home office; possibly as bedroom in old age
Annual guest sleepers: <5
Open or closed architecture: preferably open on ground floor/living area, closed areas upstairs
Conservative or modern construction - currently planned as solid timber construction (is this what is meant by construction method)
Open kitchen, kitchen island: both yes
Number of dining seats: 8+
Fireplace: no / not planned
Music/stereo wall: just a media wall 🙂
Balcony, roof terrace: no, only a terrace on the ground floor
Garage, carport: double garage
Current plan should allow for a separate living unit upstairs (granny flat / separate apartment) and living on the ground floor in old age.
House Design
Planning by:
-planner from a construction company based on our ideas
Price estimate according to architect/planner: not yet known
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings:
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump
What do you especially like? Why?
We really like the setback in the house design visually, but we are quite unsure whether this might make the kitchen/dining area too cramped and small. We tend to “expand” it again to simply have a rectangular house with a bit more space.
Why is the design the way it is now?
Draft by the house planner based on our sketches/ideas
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Does the plan function as we imagine? We worry the kitchen/dining/living area feels cramped. We want an open/spacious living area with bright rooms.
Some opinions / assessments of the plan would be appreciated 🙂
PS: The latest attached plans lack a north arrow, so I’ve also included an earlier version with a north arrow.
The fundamental issue with the floor plan stems from the following combination of factors: 1) the layout is conceptually a linear plan but squeezed into proportions close to a square, which results in a sort of donut hole or "eye of the storm" formed by the pantry or storage room, around which the corridor has to wrap; 2) the corner position of the main entrance already causes the first bend in the hallway, so that overall the corridor has two bends; 3) the unfavorable entrance placement continues in the position and orientation of the staircase. This flawed design feels familiar to me, but I haven’t yet identified the original source: at first, I thought it might be from @Piotr1981, but it wasn’t as pronounced there; however, it probably dates from around the same time (approximately December 2019). I need to keep looking...
I don’t see it that way: the soil pipe will run straight from a corner next to the upstairs toilet past a corner next to the downstairs toilet. Where do you see the problem in that?
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
bortel schrieb:
How is the bathroom upstairs drained? It’s a few meters (yards) away to run it over the floor to get to the toilet downstairs, right?
I don’t see it that way: the soil pipe will run straight from a corner next to the upstairs toilet past a corner next to the downstairs toilet. Where do you see the problem in that?
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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pagoni202018 Nov 2021 11:03Humpfrey schrieb:
We would like to plan ahead or alongside for old age, since we're not inclined to build multiple houses over time 🙂 Very few people are inclined to do that, yet they must or want to adapt to each new life situation and also make the current phase of life comfortable in terms of housing.
It seems you are planning the "jack of all trades" house, and there aren’t many of those around 🙂
The intention to include everything—from your current life as well as your planned or hoped-for future life—is understandable but rarely reflects actual reality. Anyone can tell you that their life ended up differently than they imagined in earlier years.
Various life events, both negative and positive, will disrupt your plans.
Disabilities or aging affect everyone differently; people and interests change, including yourself, though you may not always like to admit it.
My life today has nothing to do with what I imagined it would be like at age 30. Recently, a 30-year-old man told me he finally just wants no more changes, to build a house and be done with it. That might be wishful thinking, and it would be a pity if life were "finished" at 30.
When I was 30, I was advised not to install a lowered floor area in the living room, as it would be a tripping hazard... I went ahead and did it anyway and have enjoyed it many times since.
Make your home nice—NOW. Prepare so children have space too, but don’t limit yourself with too much fear of old age or what may come at the cost of a smart house design.
From that perspective, after age 60 we would definitely have needed to build a bungalow with numerous preparations—but we did not. We also don’t know how life will continue, but depending on the situation, we will have to adapt to the conditions again.
Ysop*** schrieb:
…Betting on the future. It can turn out as you plan, but it doesn’t have to. Okay, I’ll stop now 😎 Well said, and you could end up limiting what suits you today because of mistakenly expected future events.
pagoni2020 schrieb:
Apparently, you’re planning the jack-of-all-trades, and there aren’t many of those around. Depending on the exact location in Bavaria (BY) where you’re building, a Wolpertinger might not be far away after all ;-)
pagoni2020 schrieb:
My life today has nothing to do with how I imagined it at 30. Recently, a 30-year-old man told me that he finally doesn’t want any more changes — just build a house and be done with it. Confusing the desire to feel settled with the reluctance to keep growing is perfectly understandable at thirty — it passes. I’ve explained this in “Missteps in forward-looking home planning” and “When is it time to think about building for old age?” (unfortunately both can only be found by searching, as I’m not allowed to link them here).
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
.. it should also be mentioned that the laundry will still be done in the basement. This would also not be appropriate for elderly living. We are not talking about accessibility or freedom here… for that, an additional 30 sqm (320 ft²) would need to be planned on the ground floor.
And once again, many thanks for your active participation and feedback!
Considering the arguments against the “jack-of-all-trades” approach, we will probably reconsider the idea of separable living units and possibly redesign or adjust the plan. However, we need to take some more time to reflect on how important this detail actually is to us.
Regarding the second living unit, from our point of view, funding and grants are also an argument—if the plan would allow it anyway, why not benefit from double funding? As mentioned, only if the design would actually make separate living units feasible.
31+ 29 🙂
The land does not need to be paid from the 600k; in our view, that would represent the upper limit for the “all-inclusive” house cost.
May I ask why? Unfortunately, in many new housing developments we walk through, a roof over the terrace is often added later as an afterthought, which from a visual perspective looks like an awkward add-on and doesn’t appeal to us. That’s why we want the roof planned from the start so it forms a cohesive overall design.
See the third floor plan in the original post, or the site plan where north is simply at the top. The house will be aligned parallel to the street and the garage placed on the north side, next to the neighbor’s existing garage.
Overall, we will take some time to reconsider our priorities and possibly come up with a new plan.
haydee schrieb:
Really set aside these possible scenarios and just plan a nice single-family house for 2 or 4 people and that's it.
Considering the arguments against the “jack-of-all-trades” approach, we will probably reconsider the idea of separable living units and possibly redesign or adjust the plan. However, we need to take some more time to reflect on how important this detail actually is to us.
Regarding the second living unit, from our point of view, funding and grants are also an argument—if the plan would allow it anyway, why not benefit from double funding? As mentioned, only if the design would actually make separate living units feasible.
ypg schrieb:
By the way, this is why age is asked for in such scenarios, which you omitted just now.
31+ 29 🙂
Climbee schrieb:
Is the 600,000 euros only for the house, or does that include the land purchase? With the land included, it gets really tight.
The land does not need to be paid from the 600k; in our view, that would represent the upper limit for the “all-inclusive” house cost.
Climbee schrieb:
Covered terrace out
May I ask why? Unfortunately, in many new housing developments we walk through, a roof over the terrace is often added later as an afterthought, which from a visual perspective looks like an awkward add-on and doesn’t appeal to us. That’s why we want the roof planned from the start so it forms a cohesive overall design.
Climbee schrieb:
Oh yes: where is north exactly, and how is the house oriented on the plot?
See the third floor plan in the original post, or the site plan where north is simply at the top. The house will be aligned parallel to the street and the garage placed on the north side, next to the neighbor’s existing garage.
Overall, we will take some time to reconsider our priorities and possibly come up with a new plan.
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