ᐅ Floor plan single-family house, 2 full stories, approximately 180 m² living area – 760 m² plot size
Created on: 17 Nov 2021 19:44
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Humpfrey
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 760m² (8,180 sq ft)
Slope - No
Site coverage ratio -
Floor area ratio -
Building window, building line, and boundary -
Edge development - surrounding mostly 2 to 2.5 full stories; gable roofs
Number of parking spaces - 2 spaces in front of garage + possibly additional parking in front of the house
Number of stories - 2 full stories
Roof type - double shed roof / staggered shed roof
Architectural style -
Orientation
Maximum heights / limits - unknown
Further requirements - NO development plan -> §34 Federal Building Code
Owners’ Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type -
Basement, stories: basement yes, 2 full stories
Number of occupants, age: 2 adults + 2 children planned
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor -
Office: home office; possibly as bedroom in old age
Annual guest sleepers: <5
Open or closed architecture: preferably open on ground floor/living area, closed areas upstairs
Conservative or modern construction - currently planned as solid timber construction (is this what is meant by construction method)
Open kitchen, kitchen island: both yes
Number of dining seats: 8+
Fireplace: no / not planned
Music/stereo wall: just a media wall 🙂
Balcony, roof terrace: no, only a terrace on the ground floor
Garage, carport: double garage
Current plan should allow for a separate living unit upstairs (granny flat / separate apartment) and living on the ground floor in old age.
House Design
Planning by:
-planner from a construction company based on our ideas
Price estimate according to architect/planner: not yet known
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings:
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump
What do you especially like? Why?
We really like the setback in the house design visually, but we are quite unsure whether this might make the kitchen/dining area too cramped and small. We tend to “expand” it again to simply have a rectangular house with a bit more space.
Why is the design the way it is now?
Draft by the house planner based on our sketches/ideas
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Does the plan function as we imagine? We worry the kitchen/dining/living area feels cramped. We want an open/spacious living area with bright rooms.
Some opinions / assessments of the plan would be appreciated 🙂
PS: The latest attached plans lack a north arrow, so I’ve also included an earlier version with a north arrow.
Plot size: 760m² (8,180 sq ft)
Slope - No
Site coverage ratio -
Floor area ratio -
Building window, building line, and boundary -
Edge development - surrounding mostly 2 to 2.5 full stories; gable roofs
Number of parking spaces - 2 spaces in front of garage + possibly additional parking in front of the house
Number of stories - 2 full stories
Roof type - double shed roof / staggered shed roof
Architectural style -
Orientation
Maximum heights / limits - unknown
Further requirements - NO development plan -> §34 Federal Building Code
Owners’ Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type -
Basement, stories: basement yes, 2 full stories
Number of occupants, age: 2 adults + 2 children planned
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor -
Office: home office; possibly as bedroom in old age
Annual guest sleepers: <5
Open or closed architecture: preferably open on ground floor/living area, closed areas upstairs
Conservative or modern construction - currently planned as solid timber construction (is this what is meant by construction method)
Open kitchen, kitchen island: both yes
Number of dining seats: 8+
Fireplace: no / not planned
Music/stereo wall: just a media wall 🙂
Balcony, roof terrace: no, only a terrace on the ground floor
Garage, carport: double garage
Current plan should allow for a separate living unit upstairs (granny flat / separate apartment) and living on the ground floor in old age.
House Design
Planning by:
-planner from a construction company based on our ideas
Price estimate according to architect/planner: not yet known
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings:
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump
What do you especially like? Why?
We really like the setback in the house design visually, but we are quite unsure whether this might make the kitchen/dining area too cramped and small. We tend to “expand” it again to simply have a rectangular house with a bit more space.
Why is the design the way it is now?
Draft by the house planner based on our sketches/ideas
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Does the plan function as we imagine? We worry the kitchen/dining/living area feels cramped. We want an open/spacious living area with bright rooms.
Some opinions / assessments of the plan would be appreciated 🙂
PS: The latest attached plans lack a north arrow, so I’ve also included an earlier version with a north arrow.
Humpfrey schrieb:
We would like to plan ahead for old age, since we’re currently not inclined to build several houses 🙂 I’m just offering a thought to consider (and then I’ll stay quiet on this, it’s your house after all ;-) ):
You’re planning for two scenarios: living with children as you currently imagine it, and living in old age as you currently imagine it. But life can consist of many different scenarios. Therefore, personally, I wouldn’t plan for something that MAYBE will happen in 40 or 50 years. A lot can change by then. By the way, I’m not the type to always build something new either. But maybe later the wish will be for a nice apartment that is truly barrier-free. In the building where I had my old apartment, there are several people who no longer wanted a house (especially no garden work) and moved into the top floor :-) Alternatively, a child might move back in (then it’s really a two-family house, or the younger generation makes major renovations again to adapt it to their current needs). At most, a caregiver from abroad lives there. But strangers in your own house when you can no longer climb stairs— I rarely see that (actually never, but maybe I’m not a typical example :-) ).
That’s what I meant by betting on the future. It might happen as you plan, but it doesn’t have to.
Okay, now I’ll be quiet 😎
If you want to build with Sonnenleitner, you can ask @Climbee.
Really let go of those possible scenarios and just plan a nice single-family house for 2 or 4 people and that’s it.
The staircase and hallway caused by this division now take up a lot of space without creating a sense of openness.
The ground floor is not suitable as an accessible apartment for elderly people. Maybe you want some peace and quiet without anyone living above you.
The upper floor is also not a cohesive apartment for a couple.
Really let go of those possible scenarios and just plan a nice single-family house for 2 or 4 people and that’s it.
The staircase and hallway caused by this division now take up a lot of space without creating a sense of openness.
The ground floor is not suitable as an accessible apartment for elderly people. Maybe you want some peace and quiet without anyone living above you.
The upper floor is also not a cohesive apartment for a couple.
bortel schrieb:
How is the upstairs bathroom drained? It’s quite a few meters to route the pipe over the floor to reach the toilet downstairs, right?I don’t see a problem with that. If needed, the bathtub can drain via a separate pipe from the toilets, which are not yet installed.Humpfrey schrieb:
We would like to plan ahead for old age or at least consider it, since we’re not currently inclined to build multiple houses 🙂Why not? I’m living in my third property: as a single person in a condominium at 25, then building a nest buying a townhouse at 32, and now more mature at 45. Personal changes have always been there. A person or family does not stay static in their needs. Personally, I see myself living somewhere else again at 65… where exactly, I don’t know. But that’s also a good thing. So why think about 50 years from now already? Apart from that, there are stairlifts and the option to have a caregiver happy downstairs, using the guest bathroom 😉
Ysop put it well:
Ysop*** schrieb:
You are planning for two scenarios: living with children as you currently envision it, and living in old age as you currently envision it. But life can consist of many different scenarios.And that is a false compromise in both scenarios. By the way, this is why age is usually asked about, which you omitted here.
Humpfrey schrieb:
Number of people, age: planned 2 adults + 2 children
Sonnleitner is from Lower Bavaria, near Straubing – west of Augsburg, it could be, among others, the Augsburger Holzhaus or the Staudenschreiner, with whom we built. The Staudenschreiner is also known for the recessed design, as they like covered terraces, which is practically their trademark 😉
He suggested that to us as well, and we thought about it for a long time but ultimately decided against it because it would have cost us too much interior space – although I personally really like a covered terrace. But only if you have enough space for it.
If you are planning with the Staudenschreiner, you will also get heart-shaped windows, and he also built a house for his son with him, featuring such a covered terrace, which made the house 3m (10 feet) longer. The senior still talks about that today *g*. But these are the kinds of dimensions you have to expect. Adding 3m (10 feet) to the house also means significantly higher costs. Since your budget is limited (and rather tight), I would therefore recommend against the otherwise quite cool covered terrace. Are the 600,000 Euros only for the house, or do you also have to buy the plot? With the land included, that will be really tight.
Are you bound to the almost square shape? I would probably design the floor plan a bit more rectangular and eliminate the internal storage rooms (which I otherwise like!) by moving them to the exterior. Covered terrace out, the three meters (10 feet) between the kitchen island and the terrace door is really tight: 1m (3 feet) deep table plus at least 80cm (2.5 feet) for a chair – leaving only a maximum of 20cm (8 inches) as a passage. Even for a slim person, that’s too narrow!
Cut out your planned furniture to scale from paper and move it around—that way you can see where the bottlenecks are.
The “all-in-one” house: suitable for a childless couple, but also for a family of 4-5 people and later age-appropriate – that usually doesn’t work. At some point, compromises have to be made or the property has to be changed over the course of life. Instead of desperately trying to make the ground floor suitable for aging in place, I would make sure the stairs are wide enough to possibly be equipped with a stairlift later on, and that solves the accessibility issue.
An independent living unit upstairs? Why? Do you really want to let strangers into your house later? I don’t know anyone who does that. Maybe a child moves back in, in which case you can make arrangements and, if desired, do a larger renovation later. I wouldn’t take that into account now.
Build for yourselves NOW, which can and should include family planning, but nothing more. Everything else can be adapted later if necessary. That should not be your guideline today.
He suggested that to us as well, and we thought about it for a long time but ultimately decided against it because it would have cost us too much interior space – although I personally really like a covered terrace. But only if you have enough space for it.
If you are planning with the Staudenschreiner, you will also get heart-shaped windows, and he also built a house for his son with him, featuring such a covered terrace, which made the house 3m (10 feet) longer. The senior still talks about that today *g*. But these are the kinds of dimensions you have to expect. Adding 3m (10 feet) to the house also means significantly higher costs. Since your budget is limited (and rather tight), I would therefore recommend against the otherwise quite cool covered terrace. Are the 600,000 Euros only for the house, or do you also have to buy the plot? With the land included, that will be really tight.
Are you bound to the almost square shape? I would probably design the floor plan a bit more rectangular and eliminate the internal storage rooms (which I otherwise like!) by moving them to the exterior. Covered terrace out, the three meters (10 feet) between the kitchen island and the terrace door is really tight: 1m (3 feet) deep table plus at least 80cm (2.5 feet) for a chair – leaving only a maximum of 20cm (8 inches) as a passage. Even for a slim person, that’s too narrow!
Cut out your planned furniture to scale from paper and move it around—that way you can see where the bottlenecks are.
The “all-in-one” house: suitable for a childless couple, but also for a family of 4-5 people and later age-appropriate – that usually doesn’t work. At some point, compromises have to be made or the property has to be changed over the course of life. Instead of desperately trying to make the ground floor suitable for aging in place, I would make sure the stairs are wide enough to possibly be equipped with a stairlift later on, and that solves the accessibility issue.
An independent living unit upstairs? Why? Do you really want to let strangers into your house later? I don’t know anyone who does that. Maybe a child moves back in, in which case you can make arrangements and, if desired, do a larger renovation later. I wouldn’t take that into account now.
Build for yourselves NOW, which can and should include family planning, but nothing more. Everything else can be adapted later if necessary. That should not be your guideline today.
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