Hello, dear forum members,
I have purchased my first own apartment, which is currently under construction, so I have little experience and would be very grateful for your help.
A basic package has been agreed upon with the developer. Custom requests come with additional costs. The extra charges now quoted in the offers seem extremely overpriced to me.
It mainly concerns the wall tiles. The basic format is 30x60cm (12x24 inches). According to the construction description, 75€/m² (7.0 USD/ft²) gross has already been calculated for the tiles themselves, including installation, and is included in the purchase price. I want different tiles.
On top of all prices, there are additional surcharges for custom requests: installation of porcelain stoneware tiles on the wall 10€/m² (0.93 USD/ft²) gross, as well as installation of rectified (square-edged) tiles for 12€/m² (1.12 USD/ft²).
Added together, the extra gross prices on top of the basic are
- for format 60x120cm (24x48 inches) +70€ (about 76 USD),
- for format 120x120cm (48x48 inches) +135€ (around 147 USD),
- for format 20x120cm (8x48 inches) +123€ (about 134 USD) (Italgraniti LUX Listello Mix Pietra, in 5 different surface patterns but same size, installed in a random pattern).
For inserting a thin decorative metal border 0.3x120cm (not included in the basic package) between the 20x120cm tiles, 82€/linear meter (25 USD/linear foot) gross is charged.
Also, for the tiles themselves, the tiler charges significantly more than I could get at the same building materials supplier myself.
It is similar with other items from my developer. For example, if I want a different shower or faucet, the plumbing installer demands an additional charge roughly equal to the retail price of the item. Identical items can be found at hardware stores or online retailers for 50-60% less. However, I am not allowed to buy there, as the responsible specialist company will not install items they did not supply "due to warranty reasons."
Has anyone had similar experiences?
What are “normal” prices for rectified porcelain stoneware wall tiles in formats 20x120cm (8x48 inches), 60x120cm (24x48 inches), 120x120cm (48x48 inches), 120x240cm (48x96 inches)?
If the specialist company responsible for certain installations (e.g., shower) is willing to install, am I required to buy from that company only? Since they source themselves through suppliers, is it allowed for the company to refuse installation of identical items that I procured myself?
Best regards from Bavaria!
alex81k
I have purchased my first own apartment, which is currently under construction, so I have little experience and would be very grateful for your help.
A basic package has been agreed upon with the developer. Custom requests come with additional costs. The extra charges now quoted in the offers seem extremely overpriced to me.
It mainly concerns the wall tiles. The basic format is 30x60cm (12x24 inches). According to the construction description, 75€/m² (7.0 USD/ft²) gross has already been calculated for the tiles themselves, including installation, and is included in the purchase price. I want different tiles.
On top of all prices, there are additional surcharges for custom requests: installation of porcelain stoneware tiles on the wall 10€/m² (0.93 USD/ft²) gross, as well as installation of rectified (square-edged) tiles for 12€/m² (1.12 USD/ft²).
Added together, the extra gross prices on top of the basic are
- for format 60x120cm (24x48 inches) +70€ (about 76 USD),
- for format 120x120cm (48x48 inches) +135€ (around 147 USD),
- for format 20x120cm (8x48 inches) +123€ (about 134 USD) (Italgraniti LUX Listello Mix Pietra, in 5 different surface patterns but same size, installed in a random pattern).
For inserting a thin decorative metal border 0.3x120cm (not included in the basic package) between the 20x120cm tiles, 82€/linear meter (25 USD/linear foot) gross is charged.
Also, for the tiles themselves, the tiler charges significantly more than I could get at the same building materials supplier myself.
It is similar with other items from my developer. For example, if I want a different shower or faucet, the plumbing installer demands an additional charge roughly equal to the retail price of the item. Identical items can be found at hardware stores or online retailers for 50-60% less. However, I am not allowed to buy there, as the responsible specialist company will not install items they did not supply "due to warranty reasons."
Has anyone had similar experiences?
What are “normal” prices for rectified porcelain stoneware wall tiles in formats 20x120cm (8x48 inches), 60x120cm (24x48 inches), 120x120cm (48x48 inches), 120x240cm (48x96 inches)?
If the specialist company responsible for certain installations (e.g., shower) is willing to install, am I required to buy from that company only? Since they source themselves through suppliers, is it allowed for the company to refuse installation of identical items that I procured myself?
Best regards from Bavaria!
alex81k
Schimi17914 Oct 2021 15:23Sparfuchs_:p schrieb:
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But a 135€/m² (12.5$/ft²) surcharge for the larger format tiles just for installation seems quite high to me.
...We had 120cm x 120cm (47in x 47in) tiles installed in the ground floor and both bathrooms by a reputable local specialist company and paid about 200€/m² (18.60$/ft²) all-in. So for me, a base price of 75€/m² (7$/ft²) plus 135€/m² (12.50$/ft²) is acceptable.M
Myrna_Loy4 Oct 2021 15:33Just try installing tiles of this size on a wall yourself, and you’ll understand where the extra cost comes from.
We had tile installation done with 120x120 cm (47x47 inches) tiles in the bathrooms and 80x80 cm (31x31 inches) tiles for the rest of the ground floor for 7,500 €.
This covers approximately 120 sqm (1,292 sq ft) in total.
Additionally, about 4,500 € were spent on the tiles themselves and 1,800 € on materials.
The total comes to 13,800 € for 120 sqm (1,292 sq ft), which equals 115 € per sqm (10.7 per sq ft).
This covers approximately 120 sqm (1,292 sq ft) in total.
Additionally, about 4,500 € were spent on the tiles themselves and 1,800 € on materials.
The total comes to 13,800 € for 120 sqm (1,292 sq ft), which equals 115 € per sqm (10.7 per sq ft).
Schimi1791 schrieb:
We had 120 cm x 120 cm (47 x 47 inches) tiles installed on the ground floor and in both bathrooms by a well-known local specialist company and paid about 200€/sqm (19 sq ft) "all-in." For me, this breaks down to 75€/sqm (7 sq ft) base price plus 135€/sqm (13 sq ft) installation, which is reasonable. Did you pay 200€/sqm (19 sq ft) just for the installation?
For 120 x 120 cm (47 x 47 inches) tiles, the installation cost for me would be gross 135 + base 40 = 175€/sqm (16 sq ft). In addition, the tile material costs 111 + base 35 = 146€/sqm (14 sq ft) (I can buy these tiles myself for 83€/sqm (8 sq ft)). The total cost for installation plus materials is 175 + 146 = 321€/sqm (30 sq ft).
And I find the installation cost for 20 x 120 cm (8 x 47 inches) tiles at 123 + base 40 = 163€/sqm (15 sq ft) extremely overpriced, even if these are laid in a random pattern.
Schimi17914 Oct 2021 20:56alex81k schrieb:
Did you pay 200€/sqm just for the installation?
…About 200€/sqm for materials and labor.Schimi1791 schrieb:
Approximately 200€/sqm (approximately $19/sqft) for materials and labor. Then I am being charged 1.6 times more than your reputable local specialist company.
Do you perhaps remember how much the installation alone cost per sqm (per sqft)? Or conversely, the material cost alone?
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