ᐅ Bathtub placed in front of window, parapet too low, general contractor is refusing to cooperate
Created on: 20 Sep 2021 14:02
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BananaJoe
Hello everyone,
we are building our house with a general contractor (GC) and have agreed on a fixed price.
In the bathroom, we have a window with a sill height of 1.12 m (3 ft 8 in) finished floor level (FFL), which is partially located above the bathtub and a small shelf (between the bathtub and the exterior wall), on the right side in the picture.

Both I and our expert noticed that according to the building regulations (Hessen), parapet or railing heights must be at least 80 cm (31.5 inches), measured either from finished floor level (which is complied with here) or from any steps, platforms, or similar climbing aids located in front of it (which is not the case here due to the bathtub and shelf). Although we have lockable handles on the upper floor window, our expert says an additional safety measure is required, for example, the installation of a (glass) railing similar to those used on French balconies.
This is also reflected in the recommendations for enforcement of the Hessian Building Code issued by the Ministry of Economic Affairs (marginal note 35.3.1):
“The height of the parapet is generally measured from the top edge of the finished floor to the top edge of the window sill or another fixed parapet-like element, excluding the window frame. If there are elements in front of the parapet, such as cable ducts or ventilation channels, which could be used to climb up, the measurement must be taken from the top edge of those elements.”
Since we have two small children who will eventually bring friends home to play, we strongly believe that some safety provision is necessary here. Our GC, however, sees no need for action because the window has a lockable handle. I have already informed the GC that we would report this issue to the responsible building authority if necessary, so they can verify whether this is compliant (we have built under an exemption procedure, so the building application has not yet been reviewed in detail). Based on the Ministry’s recommendation, I am quite confident that the authority will agree with our expert.
Now to my question: who pays for the additional safety measure (assuming the building authority requires it)?
From a brief search, I found fairly good glass railings (since our bathroom window faces the street, we want the railing to be as discreet as possible, e.g., no bars or similar) for about 500 euros. Including installation, I expect the total cost would not exceed 1,000 euros.
In my view, it’s simple: I purchased a house that complies with legal requirements. If the GC’s planning does not meet these standards and requires rework, they should cover the cost. The GC (or our site manager), on the other hand, argues that if the building authority demands the railing, it was simply overlooked in the planning and therefore not included in the fixed price. If they had known the railing was needed, the price would have been higher, meaning we should bear the cost.
I consider that unreasonable; otherwise, fixed prices are pointless. As a layperson, I assume that the fixed price guarantees a house that meets legal standards. Otherwise, the GC could plan anything and later—if it turns out the structure is unsafe, violates the zoning plan, or is otherwise incorrect—increase the price by whatever amount is necessary to fix the planning mistake...
What’s your opinion?
we are building our house with a general contractor (GC) and have agreed on a fixed price.
In the bathroom, we have a window with a sill height of 1.12 m (3 ft 8 in) finished floor level (FFL), which is partially located above the bathtub and a small shelf (between the bathtub and the exterior wall), on the right side in the picture.
Both I and our expert noticed that according to the building regulations (Hessen), parapet or railing heights must be at least 80 cm (31.5 inches), measured either from finished floor level (which is complied with here) or from any steps, platforms, or similar climbing aids located in front of it (which is not the case here due to the bathtub and shelf). Although we have lockable handles on the upper floor window, our expert says an additional safety measure is required, for example, the installation of a (glass) railing similar to those used on French balconies.
This is also reflected in the recommendations for enforcement of the Hessian Building Code issued by the Ministry of Economic Affairs (marginal note 35.3.1):
“The height of the parapet is generally measured from the top edge of the finished floor to the top edge of the window sill or another fixed parapet-like element, excluding the window frame. If there are elements in front of the parapet, such as cable ducts or ventilation channels, which could be used to climb up, the measurement must be taken from the top edge of those elements.”
Since we have two small children who will eventually bring friends home to play, we strongly believe that some safety provision is necessary here. Our GC, however, sees no need for action because the window has a lockable handle. I have already informed the GC that we would report this issue to the responsible building authority if necessary, so they can verify whether this is compliant (we have built under an exemption procedure, so the building application has not yet been reviewed in detail). Based on the Ministry’s recommendation, I am quite confident that the authority will agree with our expert.
Now to my question: who pays for the additional safety measure (assuming the building authority requires it)?
From a brief search, I found fairly good glass railings (since our bathroom window faces the street, we want the railing to be as discreet as possible, e.g., no bars or similar) for about 500 euros. Including installation, I expect the total cost would not exceed 1,000 euros.
In my view, it’s simple: I purchased a house that complies with legal requirements. If the GC’s planning does not meet these standards and requires rework, they should cover the cost. The GC (or our site manager), on the other hand, argues that if the building authority demands the railing, it was simply overlooked in the planning and therefore not included in the fixed price. If they had known the railing was needed, the price would have been higher, meaning we should bear the cost.
I consider that unreasonable; otherwise, fixed prices are pointless. As a layperson, I assume that the fixed price guarantees a house that meets legal standards. Otherwise, the GC could plan anything and later—if it turns out the structure is unsafe, violates the zoning plan, or is otherwise incorrect—increase the price by whatever amount is necessary to fix the planning mistake...
What’s your opinion?
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BananaJoe21 Sep 2021 18:49Myrna_Loy schrieb:
You’re likely to hit a brick wall, in my opinion. As has been mentioned multiple times, the regulation concerning parapet heights is based on adults. Since the bathtub is positioned only partially in front of the window and a bathtub is not a standing surface, the planning should be correct. Let’s wait and see, as the saying goes 😉
When I look at the letter from the Ministry of Economic Affairs ("If there are components in front of the window sill, such as service shafts or ventilation ducts, that are suitable to stand on, ..."), it does not matter whether the component is intended to be stood on, but whether it is suitable for standing (regardless of whether by adults or children). And that’s exactly how I would see the bathtub and especially the ledge.
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Myrna_Loy21 Sep 2021 18:55Shafts or channels that can be stood on are different from a 20cm (8 inches) ledge on a bathtub at a height of 80cm (31.5 inches).
I am always surprised by what parents trust their children with. I also know a family where ALL the windows no longer have handles because the children open them and throw everything out or don’t recognize any danger. But in that case, the situation is precarious and the children have cognitive impairments.
I was already able to explain very clearly to my daughter at 2 1/2 years old what she should avoid doing.
I don’t know your children, but you mentioned possible playdates… At the latest then, they should be mature enough not to experiment with such things. Before that, they are too young.
I was already able to explain very clearly to my daughter at 2 1/2 years old what she should avoid doing.
I don’t know your children, but you mentioned possible playdates… At the latest then, they should be mature enough not to experiment with such things. Before that, they are too young.
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BananaJoe21 Sep 2021 20:14Myrna_Loy schrieb:
Shafts or channels that you can step on are different from a 20 cm (8 inch) ledge on a bathtub at a height of 80 cm (31.5 inches). I am not an expert in this field and don’t know if you are, so I can only rely on what the expert I pay for exactly this kind of advice says. And this is the following:
"Narrow ledges may extend at most 4 cm (1.6 inches) in depth. Ledges larger than 4 cm (1.6 inches) can be used as a stepping surface, meaning the top standing surface shifts." (Excerpt from Building Inspection Service (BPD) 3/2013)
I don’t know offhand how deep the shelf is, but definitely more than 4 cm (1.6 inches). And the bathtub entry height is probably around 60 cm (24 inches) rather than 80 cm (31.5 inches), which is not a problem for a 3-year-old child.
SumsumBiene schrieb:
I always wonder what parents expect their children to be able to do. That has nothing to do with the question of whether a safety measure is legally required, but yes, from experience I do trust our just-turned 3-year-old daughter to do that. She climbs onto our current bathtub and balances on it when allowed.
SumsumBiene schrieb:
By the age of 2 1/2, I was already able to clearly tell my daughter what she had to stop doing. And does she always and without exception follow that in every situation? Our daughter is not a demolition ball either, but children that age want to try new things, and if you don’t want to watch them 24/7, you have to expect that sometimes they will do something you’ve told them not to do beforehand. And in some cases, that one time is already one too many...
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Myrna_Loy21 Sep 2021 20:45As mentioned, the window sash opens in the opposite direction, so when the window is open, you can neither climb onto the bathtub nor fall out. How does your expert calculate this?
Myrna_Loy schrieb:
Window sash opening in the opposite directionAnd that would be so much more practical as well 😉Similar topics