ᐅ Floor plan design, two full stories, approximately 130–140 square meters without a basement
Created on: 29 Jul 2021 16:45
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prm2021
Hello everyone,
We are planning to build a house on a 600 m2 (approximately 6,460 sq ft) plot with a west-facing approach (a dead-end street). Unfortunately, the garage can only be located on the west side (as shown in the picture).
I will soon discuss the preliminary design with the architect. According to the regulations in my country, the original project cannot be changed later on.
According to the zoning plan, we must build an enclosed garage (2 parking spaces per dwelling, with 50% of them in an enclosed garage). This increases our construction costs, so we have to reduce the “ideal” size of 150 m2 (approximately 1,615 sq ft) by about 10-15 m2 (approximately 110-160 sq ft) and, of course, without a basement.
I have read many forums and found that the most important thing is that the living and dining rooms are not narrower than 4 meters (approximately 13 feet) and have at least 35 m2 (approximately 375 sq ft). We will spend 90% of our time there and in the kitchen.
We want an open kitchen facing east with as much natural light as possible (preferably in a two-row layout). We want the utility room to be at least 10 m2 (approximately 108 sq ft), the stairs to be as comfortable as possible without taking up too much space, and a guest toilet without a shower. In front of it, there would be a wardrobe (for an Ikea PAX depth 70 cm (27.5 inches)).
Upstairs, we would like natural light in the hallway, two children's rooms of about 13-14 m2 each (approximately 140-150 sq ft), facing south, and a bedroom facing northeast, where we need to place my wife’s Ikea PAX wardrobe measuring 200x70x240 cm (79x27.5x94 inches). In the bedroom, my wardrobe should also be placed, but it can be smaller than my wife’s.
I would like to build two full floors in a rectangular shape with a gabled roof, similar to Jaydee’s floor plan attached (of similar width and length), although her plan is not two full floors.
My wife would like two bathrooms or a guest WC with a shower. I’m assuring her that one bathroom with two sinks will be enough.
I apologize for my poor German. I have been following your forum for months and have learned a lot. Thank you for any help.
We are planning to build a house on a 600 m2 (approximately 6,460 sq ft) plot with a west-facing approach (a dead-end street). Unfortunately, the garage can only be located on the west side (as shown in the picture).
I will soon discuss the preliminary design with the architect. According to the regulations in my country, the original project cannot be changed later on.
According to the zoning plan, we must build an enclosed garage (2 parking spaces per dwelling, with 50% of them in an enclosed garage). This increases our construction costs, so we have to reduce the “ideal” size of 150 m2 (approximately 1,615 sq ft) by about 10-15 m2 (approximately 110-160 sq ft) and, of course, without a basement.
I have read many forums and found that the most important thing is that the living and dining rooms are not narrower than 4 meters (approximately 13 feet) and have at least 35 m2 (approximately 375 sq ft). We will spend 90% of our time there and in the kitchen.
We want an open kitchen facing east with as much natural light as possible (preferably in a two-row layout). We want the utility room to be at least 10 m2 (approximately 108 sq ft), the stairs to be as comfortable as possible without taking up too much space, and a guest toilet without a shower. In front of it, there would be a wardrobe (for an Ikea PAX depth 70 cm (27.5 inches)).
Upstairs, we would like natural light in the hallway, two children's rooms of about 13-14 m2 each (approximately 140-150 sq ft), facing south, and a bedroom facing northeast, where we need to place my wife’s Ikea PAX wardrobe measuring 200x70x240 cm (79x27.5x94 inches). In the bedroom, my wardrobe should also be placed, but it can be smaller than my wife’s.
I would like to build two full floors in a rectangular shape with a gabled roof, similar to Jaydee’s floor plan attached (of similar width and length), although her plan is not two full floors.
My wife would like two bathrooms or a guest WC with a shower. I’m assuring her that one bathroom with two sinks will be enough.
I apologize for my poor German. I have been following your forum for months and have learned a lot. Thank you for any help.
I agree with user 11: I’ve rarely seen such an amateurish architect—at least judging by the drawing (I don’t remember the entire thread clearly, as I don’t have an elephant’s memory).
As a layperson, I would be embarrassed to present something like this:
Embarrassing.
Apart from that, all the doors are planned with a rough opening of 80cm (31.5 inches)—are you serious? That means the actual clear door width will be around 75cm (29.5 inches) or even less. That might be acceptable for a pantry or maybe a guest bathroom (which personally I find too small—there’s no room to feel comfortable), but otherwise… definitely not the kitchen, especially if you need to carry groceries inside.
If there is a public shaming of this incompetent person, who is certainly no credit to the profession, please invite me!
The fact that this person is allowed to earn money from this borders on assault.
As a layperson, I would be embarrassed to present something like this:
Embarrassing.
Apart from that, all the doors are planned with a rough opening of 80cm (31.5 inches)—are you serious? That means the actual clear door width will be around 75cm (29.5 inches) or even less. That might be acceptable for a pantry or maybe a guest bathroom (which personally I find too small—there’s no room to feel comfortable), but otherwise… definitely not the kitchen, especially if you need to carry groceries inside.
If there is a public shaming of this incompetent person, who is certainly no credit to the profession, please invite me!
The fact that this person is allowed to earn money from this borders on assault.
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Bertram10017 Aug 2021 10:48As a layperson, I find the kids' bathroom unnecessary. I could understand having an extra toilet on the same floor, but relocating the children's bathroom to the same level seems expensive and excessive to me.
hanghaus2000 schrieb:
Is the house now positioned like my option 2?
I like the children's bathroom on the upper floor.
But now there are 2 full stories.
You do realize that the plot has a 10% slope, right?hanghaus2000 schrieb:
Is the house now positioned like my option 2?
I like the children's bathroom on the upper floor.
But now there are 2 full stories.
You do realize that the plot has a 10% slope, right?Yes, it’s like your option 2. But I want the living room / dining room to be 35sqm (375 sq ft). And maybe in the end, we will decide on the 3-bedroom version.
Climbee schrieb:
I rarely see such an amateurish architect – at least judging by the drawing (I don’t remember the entire thread clearly because I don’t have an elephant’s memory). My memory also doesn’t always clearly separate what the original poster (OP) has shown here and what was shown in the green space thread. The majority of the displayed floor plans certainly do not come from the draftsman of his general contractor (GC), to whom he is unfortunately tied, but rather from the start, floor plans from a wide variety of catalog models – probably a mix of timber frame panel and masonry house providers – have been discussed. Their only commonality seems to be that the OP doesn’t find them any worse than what his draftsman presents. When he shows any of these to the draftsman, the draftsman comes up with something that looks like a design for a completely different set of requirements than what was previously discussed. It is truly frustrating. So what seems to be needed here is apparently a proposal that the draftsman only needs to submit to the authorities (building permit / planning permission), ideally without being able to spoil it further.
I believe I already suggested looking at proposals from GCs in Burgenland, where some residents also speak Croatian, to be able to explain the plans to the draftsman more effectively. Possibly, the Polish magazines with building proposals recommended by @Acof1978 might also offer some help.
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prm2021 schrieb:
We have two children. We don’t know what the future holds, so we are still considering three bedrooms for the kids. What do you think about the floor plan by jaydee from the beginning of this thread (can it be adapted somehow for two full floors)? Having a bathroom next to the master bedroom would bother me at that size. Because of that, your main bathroom is very small. A lot of drywall construction will be needed to install all the plumbing lines for water, etc. These alone take up about 20 cm (8 inches) in width. It will be very tight in both bathrooms. I would combine them into one.
Climbee schrieb:
As a layperson, I would be embarrassed to show something like this:
[IMG alt="1629189834660.png"]https://www.hausbau-forum.de/attachments/1629189834660-png.64659/[/IMG]
Embarrassing. Are you serious? As a layperson? What can he do about that?
Climbee schrieb:
Besides, all doors have rough opening dimensions of 80 cm (31.5 inches) – is that for real? That means the actual clear door width will be around 75 cm (29.5 inches) or even less. Your 80 cm (31.5 inches) refers to the windows – the doors are drawn narrower.
If I have misunderstood something here (I haven’t followed everything),
this is not an architectural drawing, which you can tell by the wall thicknesses, etc.
However, I do recall a house being built abroad. You can’t really know the standard dimensions there.
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