ᐅ Floor plan, ideas for spatial separation within the kitchen
Created on: 19 Sep 2013 10:44
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GTSport1982
Dear Home Building Forum,
My wife and I are currently deep in the planning stage of our new build and have already put a lot of thought into creating the ideal house design for us.
The following conditions apply:
Plot size: 430 sqm (4627 sq ft) [Northeast orientation of the plot (= southern access)]
Plot width: 16 m (52.5 ft) on the south / 16 m (52.5 ft) on the north
Plot length: 26 m (85 ft) on the west / 28 m (92 ft) on the east
Main ridge required in east-west orientation
Secondary ridge possible in north-south orientation (for our south-side extension)
Building envelope: 10 m (33 ft) in width (east-west) + 14 m (46 ft) in length (north-south)
Start of building envelope at the southern part of the plot (= 3 m (10 ft) distance to the access road)
This is what our house should offer:
Ground floor:
First floor:
Attic:
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We now have an initial draft from our architect, which you’ll find attached. What do you think about it?
Do you have any ideas on how we might create a spatial separation in the open kitchen/dining/living area? We were thinking of an option with a sliding door between the kitchen and living room that can be opened or closed as needed. However, the architect’s current layout doesn’t fully allow for this, in our opinion.
Please share your thoughts!
Best regards,
GTSport1982
My wife and I are currently deep in the planning stage of our new build and have already put a lot of thought into creating the ideal house design for us.
The following conditions apply:
Plot size: 430 sqm (4627 sq ft) [Northeast orientation of the plot (= southern access)]
Plot width: 16 m (52.5 ft) on the south / 16 m (52.5 ft) on the north
Plot length: 26 m (85 ft) on the west / 28 m (92 ft) on the east
Main ridge required in east-west orientation
Secondary ridge possible in north-south orientation (for our south-side extension)
Building envelope: 10 m (33 ft) in width (east-west) + 14 m (46 ft) in length (north-south)
Start of building envelope at the southern part of the plot (= 3 m (10 ft) distance to the access road)
This is what our house should offer:
Ground floor:
- Kitchen/living/dining area with southern exposure and access to a south-facing terrace
- Study for my wife
- Technical/storage room including wardrobe with access to the north garden and the carport
- Storage room under the stairs
- Small bathroom with shower and WC
- Possibility to separate the ground floor from the upper floor
- Southern access (main entrance) + 9 m (30 ft) carport with access to a storage room behind it
First floor:
- Master bedroom with access to the main bathroom
- Children’s bedroom 1
- Children’s bedroom 2
- Main bathroom with shower, bathtub, and WC
- Children’s/guest bathroom with shower and WC
- Utility room (dryer, washing machine, ironing area)
- Guest and study room for me
Attic:
- Project room (playroom, hangout space for the children, etc.)
- Storage room for miscellaneous items
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We now have an initial draft from our architect, which you’ll find attached. What do you think about it?
Do you have any ideas on how we might create a spatial separation in the open kitchen/dining/living area? We were thinking of an option with a sliding door between the kitchen and living room that can be opened or closed as needed. However, the architect’s current layout doesn’t fully allow for this, in our opinion.
Please share your thoughts!
Best regards,
GTSport1982
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backbone2319 Sep 2013 12:46For 180 sqm (1,938 sq ft) of living space, I find 13 sqm (140 sq ft) for the children simply too small. And when the kids get older, the "playroom" in the attic doesn't help either. In addition, sloping ceilings, gables, and the 45-degree angles reduce usable space for placing doors.
240,000 € for everything excluding the land. Take some time to read through the forum on construction costs!
What is the architect thinking?
240,000 € for everything excluding the land. Take some time to read through the forum on construction costs!
What is the architect thinking?
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Bauexperte19 Sep 2013 12:52Hello,
I really don't understand the repeated discussions about children's rooms > 11.00/12.00 sqm (118.4/129.2 sq ft); above that size, they quickly turn into small dance halls. Do parents (and future parents) here really believe that what intensely interests their teenagers happens under the family roof? I suggest taking a moment to reflect on your own youth.
Best regards, Bauexperte
nordanney schrieb:I totally agree without hesitation...!
As a child, I would have loved having so much space.
I really don't understand the repeated discussions about children's rooms > 11.00/12.00 sqm (118.4/129.2 sq ft); above that size, they quickly turn into small dance halls. Do parents (and future parents) here really believe that what intensely interests their teenagers happens under the family roof? I suggest taking a moment to reflect on your own youth.
Best regards, Bauexperte
The construction expert will probably add some comments on the 240,000 euros. Overall, you can likely expect to add almost 100,000 euros on top of that.
Regarding the floor plan itself:
My parents have two 45° corners in their apartment. I find that somewhat harmonious in a limited way. However, the usable space for furniture is reduced because of this.
The routing of the pipes from the bathrooms and the utility room on the upper floor should be reviewed.
Do you have a home office, so that you need two separate workrooms?
However, I can imagine that the floor plan will become a non-issue once a realistic price for the house is finalized on paper.
Regarding the floor plan itself:
My parents have two 45° corners in their apartment. I find that somewhat harmonious in a limited way. However, the usable space for furniture is reduced because of this.
The routing of the pipes from the bathrooms and the utility room on the upper floor should be reviewed.
Do you have a home office, so that you need two separate workrooms?
However, I can imagine that the floor plan will become a non-issue once a realistic price for the house is finalized on paper.
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Bauexperte19 Sep 2013 13:54Hello Musketier,
Regards, Bauexperte
Musketier schrieb:I will gladly comment once the OP shares their preferences regarding the fittings.
Bauexperte will surely add something about the 240,000€. Overall, you can probably add almost 100,000€ on top of that.
Regards, Bauexperte
GTSport1982 schrieb:
The initial cost estimate includes only construction costs (including carport, landscaping, connection fees, architect fees, authorities and administrative costs, financing costs, as well as other incidental expenses) amounting to approximately €240,000 (about $260,000). The plot of land would then add nearly €80,000 (about $87,000). Bauexperte schrieb:
I will be happy to comment once the OP provides their preferences regarding the fittings and fixtures. @ Bauexperte
Do you need any information beyond approximately 180m² (1,940 sq ft), 3 gables, 3 bathrooms, incidental construction costs, carport, and landscaping to say that €240,000 (about $260,000) won’t be enough? You’re disappointing me now. We already almost pay €240,000 (about $260,000).
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GTSport198219 Sep 2013 14:26Hi everyone!
Although my questions were mainly about revising the floor plan, since more questions about the cost breakdown are coming up, I want to clarify things a bit.
Here is our initial cost estimate:
Construction Costs:
Outdoor Areas:
Additional Costs:
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So far, I don’t know if there is any issue with these figures, but if you tell me now that a 180 sqm (1,940 sq ft) house cannot be realized within a budget of up to €250,000.00, we will have to reduce the floor area. Our main focus was first on the room layout, then on budgeting. Personally, 140 sqm (1,510 sq ft) would be enough for me if we can fit the rooms we want. The problem is we need two home offices for work reasons, one on the ground floor and one on the upper floor. We also prefer an additional south-facing extension with an extra gable to make the living and dining area bright, which would also create a nice protected southwest terrace.
Regarding finishes, we want standard quality—nothing basic but nothing extravagant either. Apart from the wallpapering, we want a turnkey build, with the only special feature being wood-look tiles, which will probably add a significant extra cost.
Best regards,
GTSport1982
Although my questions were mainly about revising the floor plan, since more questions about the cost breakdown are coming up, I want to clarify things a bit.
Here is our initial cost estimate:
Construction Costs:
- Residential building 760 cbm (26,830 cubic feet) x €265.00 = €201,400.00
- special components = €3,600.00
- carport = €8,000.00
Outdoor Areas:
- garden and pathways = €5,000.00
- connections (utilities) = €6,000.00
Additional Costs:
- architect and engineering fees = €12,000.00
- authorities and administrative fees = €2,000.00
- financing costs = €1,000.00
- other incidental costs = €1,500.00
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So far, I don’t know if there is any issue with these figures, but if you tell me now that a 180 sqm (1,940 sq ft) house cannot be realized within a budget of up to €250,000.00, we will have to reduce the floor area. Our main focus was first on the room layout, then on budgeting. Personally, 140 sqm (1,510 sq ft) would be enough for me if we can fit the rooms we want. The problem is we need two home offices for work reasons, one on the ground floor and one on the upper floor. We also prefer an additional south-facing extension with an extra gable to make the living and dining area bright, which would also create a nice protected southwest terrace.
Regarding finishes, we want standard quality—nothing basic but nothing extravagant either. Apart from the wallpapering, we want a turnkey build, with the only special feature being wood-look tiles, which will probably add a significant extra cost.
Best regards,
GTSport1982
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