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kati1337 schrieb:

I can tolerate everyday noises. But I won’t tolerate a bass-heavy outdoor speaker playing terrible music on a Sunday.
There have already been several similar cases that went to court where judges shared this view. I even read about a ruling where the issue wasn’t the noise level itself, but the judge considered the use of a speaker on a terrace in a residential area to be outside the normal use of the property.
This also matches the fact that, apart from that one party, no one else in the entire neighborhood does it.

I have the smaller version with a cable. 🙂 Maybe I’ll upgrade to the QC35 someday.

I’m fairly sure you’re at least partly right. But enforcing it through the “hard approach” will destroy your relationship, and that can escalate badly. I’d think carefully before going down that path. Then your neighbors will watch your every move 24/7 just to find something against you. If you respond with excessive noise, your neighbor might end up with a PA system on their terrace soon. Just wait it out; if they already have legal action pending for noise disturbance, it should calm down soon.

kati1337 schrieb:

There are already several similar cases that have been heard in court where judges shared the same opinion. I even read about a ruling that was not focused on the noise level itself,

Well, that sounds like you’ve done your homework thoroughly. I would interpret this somewhat as stubbornness, combativeness, and inflexibility—not a good sign! 😕

dsin8788 schrieb:

I’m fairly sure you’re at least partly right. But insisting on your way “by force” will damage your relationship, and that can escalate badly. I would think carefully before taking that route. Then the neighbors will be watching your every move 24/7 to find something against you. If you respond with excessive noise, the neighbor might soon have a PA system set up on their terrace. Just be patient—if they’re already facing complaints for noise disturbance, things should quiet down soon.

The other noise disturbance issue was from our previous residence. That doesn’t help us here.
Unfortunately, here it only concerns our house.

ypg schrieb:

Well, that sounds like you’ve done your homework diligently. I interpret that as stubbornness, combativeness, and hardening of attitudes—not good! 😕

I interpret that as downplaying a problem that someone else is experiencing. That’s somewhat disrespectful and lacking empathy, just saying “oh, live with it, it’s not that bad, don’t make a fuss”… Of course it’s not so bad for you. You can probably sit peacefully behind your house.

kati1337 schrieb:

And I interpret that as downplaying someone else’s problem. That comes across as somewhat disrespectful and lacking empathy, simply saying “just live with it, it’s not that bad, don’t make such a fuss”… Of course, it’s not that bad for you. You can probably sit peacefully in your backyard.

Uh, sorry.
I believe I have shown enough empathy and offered potential solutions to your problem, without minimizing it. Not only in this thread but also in another one about the construction radio.
However, it is not a solution to turn your personal issue, i.e., your perception, into a problem for everyone or use it as a guideline. That is NOT the way, even if you see it that way.
There is a saying commonly used in psychology for a reason: You cannot change others, only yourself.
There are also rules for problem-solving: do not play the victim role, but communicate. This does not mean staying silent and then dragging people into court ready for a fight.

kati1337 schrieb:

You can probably sit peacefully in your backyard.

And if you are attentive and empathetic yourself, you would also know that I am confronted with neighborhood noise. It’s just that I take a different approach or am able to take those approaches to deal with it.
That’s why I find your comment quite inappropriate.

ypg schrieb:


There are also rules for problem-solving: don’t put yourself in the victim role, but speak up. However, this does not mean staying silent and then taking the fight to court with sharpened knives.

I don’t intend to do that either. But even in a direct confrontation, I would like to know the legal situation more clearly before having to hear again that I "should accept normal noise levels." This is not about preparing for court, but when two parties disagree on an issue, you have to follow the guidelines that apply. Reading those as a basis for argument is, in my opinion, not preparing for war.

I’m glad it’s easy for you to tolerate noise disturbance. It’s not easy for me. What I find inappropriate is assuming others feel the same way you do. I’m not saying you have to experience the noise as badly as I do. But you are telling me to perceive the noise as less disturbing than you do. And that is the definition of a lack of empathy.

kati1337 schrieb:

I don’t intend to do that either. But even with a direct confrontation and more insistence, I would like to know the legal situation beforehand, so I don’t have to hear again that I “have to accept normal indoor noise levels.” This isn’t about preparing to go to court, but when two parties disagree on a matter, you have to follow the applicable guidelines.
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“In court and on the high seas, we are in God’s hands alone.”

I am now curious about how this would work in practice.
First, an expert needs to be appointed to carry out reliable (!) measurements on a Sunday. If the expert determines that the noise level exceeds the allowed limit, in my opinion, only then can the next step follow, if one chooses to take it.

(By the way, does this topic still belong in a garden photo chat thread?)