ᐅ Floor plan of a 1.5-story house with a captain’s gable, covering just under 200 square meters
Created on: 18 Jul 2021 18:13
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blubbernase
hi, we have been going back and forth with the work and wanted to get your opinion
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 673 m² (7239 ft²)
Slope: 3.5% incline from one side to the other
Floor area ratio: 0.2 (Floor area ratio I: 134.6 m² (1450 ft²), Floor area ratio II: 201.9 m² (2172 ft²))
Building envelope, building line and boundary: see picture (the side lines mark the property borders)
Edge development: new residential area, detached houses
Number of parking spaces: 1
Number of stories: max 1 full story
Roof type: gable roof
Architectural style: captain’s house
Orientation: ridge runs northwest to southeast
Maximum heights/limits: eaves height 4.5 m (15 ft), ridge height 9 m (30 ft), reference point in development plan nearly 1 meter (3 ft) above plot level, brick facing required, dormers allowed on only 50% of the eaves length
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: gable roof
Basement, stories: partial unheated basement, ground floor, upper floor
Number of occupants, ages: 34 m, 33 f, 3 m, 4 f + 1 planned
Space needs on the ground floor: 1 office, 1 office/guest room, kitchen with dining area, living room, bathroom with shower, entry hall
Space needs on the upper floor: 1 bedroom, 3 children's rooms, 1 full bathroom, 1 toilet with washer/dryer
Office: 100% home office
Overnight guests per year: 1 per month, mother-in-law
Conservative or modern construction: practical?
Kitchen: kitchen with dining area, table to be inside the kitchen
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: garage for one car and bicycles
Utility garden, greenhouse: maybe later
House Design
Ground floor: floor area 107.5 m² (1156 ft²) (including stairs)
Upper floor: floor area 101.2 m² (1090 ft²) (including stairs)
Basement: approx. 70 m² (753 ft²)
Designer: designed by ourselves using Sweet Home 3D
Basically, we based the exterior dimensions on the Whiteline promotional house "Kiefernallee" from Gussek Haus and extended it about 50 cm (20 inches) longer on the left side of the gable. We have been working with Gussek Haus for a while. Initially, we had a floor plan with 4 gables and a longer house, but we discarded it due to complexity. The upper-floor layout is still based on that promotional house, but the ground floor has changed quite a bit.
What do you particularly like? When entering the house, you’re not immediately in the living room.
Price estimate according to the architect/planner: base house approx. 450,000 € (including move-in ready) + 60,000 €
Personal price limit for the house including basement: 550,000 € + additional costs and fittings
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump with indoor unit
If you had to give up something, which details/extensions?
- You could give up: basically nothing 😀
- You could not give up: a few extra square meters here and there
Why did the design turn out this way?
For example: it fits well on the plot, although the terrace is quite small.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Will the long hallway annoy us despite being reasonably wide?
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 673 m² (7239 ft²)
Slope: 3.5% incline from one side to the other
Floor area ratio: 0.2 (Floor area ratio I: 134.6 m² (1450 ft²), Floor area ratio II: 201.9 m² (2172 ft²))
Building envelope, building line and boundary: see picture (the side lines mark the property borders)
Edge development: new residential area, detached houses
Number of parking spaces: 1
Number of stories: max 1 full story
Roof type: gable roof
Architectural style: captain’s house
Orientation: ridge runs northwest to southeast
Maximum heights/limits: eaves height 4.5 m (15 ft), ridge height 9 m (30 ft), reference point in development plan nearly 1 meter (3 ft) above plot level, brick facing required, dormers allowed on only 50% of the eaves length
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: gable roof
Basement, stories: partial unheated basement, ground floor, upper floor
Number of occupants, ages: 34 m, 33 f, 3 m, 4 f + 1 planned
Space needs on the ground floor: 1 office, 1 office/guest room, kitchen with dining area, living room, bathroom with shower, entry hall
Space needs on the upper floor: 1 bedroom, 3 children's rooms, 1 full bathroom, 1 toilet with washer/dryer
Office: 100% home office
Overnight guests per year: 1 per month, mother-in-law
Conservative or modern construction: practical?
Kitchen: kitchen with dining area, table to be inside the kitchen
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: garage for one car and bicycles
Utility garden, greenhouse: maybe later
House Design
Ground floor: floor area 107.5 m² (1156 ft²) (including stairs)
Upper floor: floor area 101.2 m² (1090 ft²) (including stairs)
Basement: approx. 70 m² (753 ft²)
Designer: designed by ourselves using Sweet Home 3D
Basically, we based the exterior dimensions on the Whiteline promotional house "Kiefernallee" from Gussek Haus and extended it about 50 cm (20 inches) longer on the left side of the gable. We have been working with Gussek Haus for a while. Initially, we had a floor plan with 4 gables and a longer house, but we discarded it due to complexity. The upper-floor layout is still based on that promotional house, but the ground floor has changed quite a bit.
What do you particularly like? When entering the house, you’re not immediately in the living room.
Price estimate according to the architect/planner: base house approx. 450,000 € (including move-in ready) + 60,000 €
Personal price limit for the house including basement: 550,000 € + additional costs and fittings
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump with indoor unit
If you had to give up something, which details/extensions?
- You could give up: basically nothing 😀
- You could not give up: a few extra square meters here and there
Why did the design turn out this way?
For example: it fits well on the plot, although the terrace is quite small.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Will the long hallway annoy us despite being reasonably wide?
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Muldenboy19 Jul 2021 15:28"hanghaus2000 wrote: if the garage is built at the property line, is the fire department access for the neighbor to the north too narrow?? Hmm, good point. I’ll have to talk to the neighbors about that. The driveway is 3 meters (10 feet) at the entrance and then 4 meters (13 feet) wide, so it should be fine."
Make sure to check early. We also had to plan a fire department access (for three properties in a row). In particular, the driveway had to be calculated by a surveyor because it involved turning radii for the vehicles. In my opinion, 3 meters (10 feet) is not enough. In our case, the driveway is six meters (20 feet) wide. The neighbor with the first property had to redesign significantly because it affected his property. The driveway stays about 5 to 6 meters (16 to 20 feet) wide before continuing at 3.5 meters (11.5 feet) wide. Additionally, we had to provide a parking or standing area.
I can’t say if all of this applies to your case as well.
blubbernase schrieb:
Do you happen to know where? I can’t think of it right now either.
blubbernase schrieb:
In March, we contacted 15 architects in our target region with detailed requirements, received 7 replies, 5 said they were unavailable until at least October, and of the two we had further discussions with, one complained that we had too many specific requests and the other simply wasn’t a good fit for us. Could you get in touch with me (see "Information" in my profile)? I’m interested to know more.
I also don’t quite understand how someone ends up with a “prefabricated” house provider when they were looking for independent architects.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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blubbernase19 Jul 2021 17:13Hi, thanks for the input!
Nowhere have I stated my budget is all-in… that’s not the point. The fund for incidental building costs is well-filled and considered separately from the house plus basement.
We have a pre-selection appointment on Friday. There, the most important things will be listed.
It should be about 1 meter (3.3 feet) from the wall; I’m in the car and don’t have the tool with me (as a passenger).
Okay, and now?
We haven’t found anyone yet. We are building remotely (500 km (310 miles) away) and need to be finished by September 2023. That’s why it has to be move-in ready from the start. Also, the house must be clad with facing bricks. All providers who build move-in ready immediately reject individual planning or take ages to respond. We don’t plan to buy a standard house and then change everything afterwards either.
Where do you get that from? I have stayed neutral on everything. A convoluted and long hallway, I accept that. But that was also our starting point—how impractical is such a long hallway? We have a deadline for when it must be ready to live in by 2023. The architects simply took forever. The feedback “it’s awful, go to an architect” is very one-sided.
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haydee schrieb:
The budget currently won’t be enough for an all-in price.
haydee schrieb:
Do you have a quote for the basement including disposal?
haydee schrieb:
Do you have all the incidental building costs covered?
haydee schrieb:
Do you have all the costs listed as client’s responsibility in the scope of work?
haydee schrieb:
Do you have all the costs that will come up but are not listed in the scope of work?
Nowhere have I stated my budget is all-in… that’s not the point. The fund for incidental building costs is well-filled and considered separately from the house plus basement.
haydee schrieb:
What is the standard included in the scope of work? From electrical systems to tiles and the front door? Does that match your expectations?
We have a pre-selection appointment on Friday. There, the most important things will be listed.
haydee schrieb:
Draw a 2-meter (6.5 feet) line in the floor plan.
It should be about 1 meter (3.3 feet) from the wall; I’m in the car and don’t have the tool with me (as a passenger).
haydee schrieb:
I didn’t like the original version, and in my opinion this is a case of making things worse by trying to improve.
Okay, and now?
K1300S schrieb:
I can only repeat myself. 😉 It doesn’t have to be a freelance architect, but buying a standard house first and then deciding on custom features later doesn’t seem very sensible to me. I can tell you that our contact with Gussek Haus was similar, which is why we decided against that provider due to many “later” questions needing clarification. It can definitely be done differently and better.
We haven’t found anyone yet. We are building remotely (500 km (310 miles) away) and need to be finished by September 2023. That’s why it has to be move-in ready from the start. Also, the house must be clad with facing bricks. All providers who build move-in ready immediately reject individual planning or take ages to respond. We don’t plan to buy a standard house and then change everything afterwards either.
driver55 schrieb:
Furthermore, I get the impression from your answers: “Everything’s great, that’s how we’re going to build.” 😳
All I can say is “Help.”
Where do you get that from? I have stayed neutral on everything. A convoluted and long hallway, I accept that. But that was also our starting point—how impractical is such a long hallway? We have a deadline for when it must be ready to live in by 2023. The architects simply took forever. The feedback “it’s awful, go to an architect” is very one-sided.
11ant schrieb:
Would you contact me (see “Information” in my profile)? I’m interested in hearing more.
I also don’t really understand how you end up with a “prefabricated” house provider if you were looking for independent architects.
Done
blubbernase schrieb:
must be done by Sept 2023 So you still have some time, although depending on the provider it may not be much. But you are building in NI? I’m not familiar with that area, but in NRW there are quite a few good general contractors who are happy and willing to create a custom design with you. Ours was practically delighted when we mentioned that we wanted brick cladding. (That probably doesn’t happen very often anymore.) You definitely need one like that as well.
blubbernase schrieb:
We are building at a distance (500 km) [...] We also have to use facing bricks. Haha, I almost said “Hello neighbor,” but I’m not quite that close to Lower Saxony ;-). Facing bricks and Gussek houses are a natural, though not mandatory, association. I definitely consider them among the “good,” fairly high-quality providers within the major brands, but I generally prefer local builders (since it’s easier to find supervising architects nearby who know the local conditions well).
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
blubbernase schrieb:
Where do you get that from? Well, you have practically eliminated almost everything. Kitchen table that doesn’t fit front or back, kitchen generally unergonomic, 0.5 sqm (5.4 sq ft) “rooms,” roof window, etc.
Nothing really fits together in the house, which is why I only criticized the 42 on the (hall/stairs/living area). The rest is unnecessary because “moving walls” won’t make it any better either.
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