ᐅ Smart Home Standard Roller Shutter Motors in New Construction?
Created on: 13 Jun 2021 16:05
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Simon-L
Hello everyone,
My girlfriend and I are currently in the middle of building our house. Since last week, the shell is basically weather-tight – roof on, windows installed! Unfortunately, there has been a misunderstanding with the window installer and, consequently, also with the electrician, and I’m a bit unsure how to solve this best.
I have been reading through the forum for a while now but feel somewhat overwhelmed 🤨
Here’s the situation:
The window installer installed Somfy ILMO WT motors as well as three "Roma Elero JA Soft blind motors." We didn’t know the exact model names beforehand and assumed the motors could be controlled wirelessly, as this was our understanding during the consultation. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and we are left with standard motors.
The electrician, during the rough-in, pulled all the necessary cables from the distribution board through the ceiling to each room and installed several empty conduits inside the rooms.
There is no direct connection from the blinds to the distribution board; instead, there is only an empty conduit running from each blind to the door.
Now the question is, how can we implement a proper, up-to-date control system with moderate effort and without extremely high costs?
We don’t want to have to operate everything manually all the time...
Do we need a bus system? And can this still be properly wired? Is there a simpler way?
I have also come across flush-mounted receivers, but as I understand it, we would need a switch for each blind.
Or should we even replace the motors?! (Assuming we will have to bear the costs ourselves!)
What we would actually like:
- Standard pushbuttons to control the blinds in SOME rooms, but not all.
(Bedrooms, study, living room for the patio door… but not, for example, in the bathroom or stairwell)
- Time-based control of all blinds/shutters (up in the morning, down in the evening)
- A remote control (or even an app), so we can still operate each blind individually if needed
Thanks in advance! 🙂
Best regards
Simon
My girlfriend and I are currently in the middle of building our house. Since last week, the shell is basically weather-tight – roof on, windows installed! Unfortunately, there has been a misunderstanding with the window installer and, consequently, also with the electrician, and I’m a bit unsure how to solve this best.
I have been reading through the forum for a while now but feel somewhat overwhelmed 🤨
Here’s the situation:
The window installer installed Somfy ILMO WT motors as well as three "Roma Elero JA Soft blind motors." We didn’t know the exact model names beforehand and assumed the motors could be controlled wirelessly, as this was our understanding during the consultation. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and we are left with standard motors.
The electrician, during the rough-in, pulled all the necessary cables from the distribution board through the ceiling to each room and installed several empty conduits inside the rooms.
There is no direct connection from the blinds to the distribution board; instead, there is only an empty conduit running from each blind to the door.
Now the question is, how can we implement a proper, up-to-date control system with moderate effort and without extremely high costs?
We don’t want to have to operate everything manually all the time...
Do we need a bus system? And can this still be properly wired? Is there a simpler way?
I have also come across flush-mounted receivers, but as I understand it, we would need a switch for each blind.
Or should we even replace the motors?! (Assuming we will have to bear the costs ourselves!)
What we would actually like:
- Standard pushbuttons to control the blinds in SOME rooms, but not all.
(Bedrooms, study, living room for the patio door… but not, for example, in the bathroom or stairwell)
- Time-based control of all blinds/shutters (up in the morning, down in the evening)
- A remote control (or even an app), so we can still operate each blind individually if needed
Thanks in advance! 🙂
Best regards
Simon
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Strahleman13 Jun 2021 19:42Simon-L schrieb:
For flush-mounted transmitters/receivers, you would really need a switch everywhere as well, which we actually don’t want – that would probably be the backup plan. I would always recommend installing wired switches for each roller shutter. In case the wireless connection fails, you can still control them. Relying solely on wireless is, in my opinion, very unwise. The pure timer intervals are also problematic. You should only solve these with window contacts, which prevent the shutters from closing when terrace or balcony doors are open.
You can still retrofit the motors for wireless control, for example with Shelly (Wi-Fi), Eltako (Enocean), or Fibaro (Z-Wave) flush-mounted modules, and also program timer intervals or similar functions. I advise you to seriously consider what exactly you want to implement. For simple up/down wireless control, the modules and a wireless controller (e.g., Homee) are sufficient. For other features, you may need additional modules.
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nordanney13 Jun 2021 21:51Shellys. Just standard switches. Nothing more is needed, and it is very affordable.
Schimi179114 Jun 2021 07:59Strahleman schrieb:
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If the wireless connection fails, you can still control it.
...In what scenario could that happen?S
Strahleman14 Jun 2021 09:08Schimi1791 schrieb:
In what scenario should that even be possible?With Shelly devices: Wi-Fi malfunctions (network overload, unstable connection, etc.) With Fibaro: wireless switches have dead batteries and the smartphone is not within direct range
I see Eltako/EnOcean as the most reliable here, since the wireless switches operate without batteries. However, depending on the size and materials of the house, an EnOcean repeater may be needed in some places.
Wireless communication is always a bit tricky. And from the way the questioner writes here, I don’t think they have a deep understanding of the subject to quickly fix errors. That often leads to frustration and dissatisfaction. Everyone in the house has light switches and sockets. So why would anyone want to give up such switches by the windows? They don’t make the house look worse.
Schimi1791 schrieb:
In which scenario should that be possible?In the scenario where wireless solutions reveal their technical shortcomings, of which there are quite a few. Range issues, interference from other transmitters, signal overlap when too many control commands are sent simultaneously... just the usual, well-known practical problems with wireless systems.
Tolentino schrieb:
Take a look at Shelly's. I've already got a few of the 2.0 models. If anything, are the 2.5 models more recommended?
I am eagerly waiting for the Eltako series 64, which was actually supposed to be released between the end of 2020 and the beginning of 2021. Unfortunately, the availability has been postponed, and now the release is expected by the end of 2021. In my opinion, this is currently the best option—although so far only on paper.
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