ᐅ New construction, 200 sqm plus basement, with a mansard roof
Created on: 6 Jun 2021 22:31
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Blue_guru6 Jun 2021 22:31Hello everyone,
after a long time of reading and several planning rounds, we would like to get your opinions on our current planning status.
The plot just outside Hamburg is already secured but is very long and narrow (widest point 20m (65 feet)).
There is no local development plan, only a building envelope diagonally crossing the plot with a width of 20m (65 feet).
Due to the relatively high groundwater level from the marshy soil, the basement can only be dug about 1.5m (5 feet) deep, possibly only 1m (3 feet). This will be clarified this week when the soil report arrives.
At the start of our planning, we intended to have 1 office and 2 children's rooms; however, due to changes in our professional and personal circumstances, we now need to plan for 2 offices and actually 4 children's rooms...
Building Regulations / Restrictions
Plot size: approx. 1000m² (11,000 sq ft), width 16-20m (52-65 feet)
Slope: gently sloping, approx. 1m (3 feet)
Floor area ratio (FAR) / site coverage: no specification
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: yes, building envelope diagonally across the plot, 20m (65 feet) wide, otherwise usual 3m (10 feet) setback
Number of parking spaces: 2 (1.5 per housing unit)
Building height: max. 12m (39 feet)
Roof shape: no specification
Architectural style: no specification
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, building type: classic, townhouse
Roof type: mansard roof (very typical for this area)
Basement, floors: basement + ground floor + upper floor
Number of occupants, ages: 6 (two adults, 2 children + twins coming soon 😀)
Spaces on ground floor: living room, separate kitchen, 2 offices (both working from home, one also serving as a guest room), guest toilet, sufficient storage space is essential for 6 people
Spaces on upper floor: master bedroom, dressing room, master bath, children’s bathroom, minimum 3 children's bedrooms each at least 15m² (160 sq ft)
Offices: 2 due to parallel home office use
Number of guest stays per year: about once a month
Open or closed floor plan: closed
Conservative or modern construction: conservative / classic
Open kitchen, cooking island: closed kitchen without an island, but a freestanding side-by-side refrigerator would be great
Number of dining seats: 8-10
Fireplace: yes
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: yes
Garage, carport: yes, double carport
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Additional wishes / special features:
- Master bedroom may only face the garden
- Possibility to add a granny flat in the basement later
Style, roof form, building type: townhouse style with mansard roof. We like the mansard roof because it limits roof slope restrictions on the upper floor and visually reduces the height somewhat. Due to the basement partially above ground level, the house otherwise appears quite tall for 2.5 full stories.
Basement, floors: basement, ground floor, upper floor
House Design
Who designed the plan: custom design by the architect of the planned general contractor
Offer for the house (including painting, flooring, and pre-selection): approx. 850,000 EUR
What do you particularly like? Why?
The ground floor overall is good, open staircase to the hallway, double doors to the living room, kitchen can be opened to the living room by sliding door, we like the mansard roof as well.
Children's rooms are all about the same size.
Laundry chute.
What do you dislike? Why?
- The house is quite large, but some rooms still feel tight, especially upstairs
- Master bathroom is too small; we would like a 1.8m (6 feet) bathtub, washbasin with two sinks, and a 1.4m x 1m (4.6 feet x 3.3 feet) shower. A separate toilet is "nice to have" but could be integrated into the bathroom if that solves the problem.
- Dressing room is borderline narrow, but the bedroom cannot be significantly reduced.
- We would actually need another children's room. The idea now is that the younger children share a room at first until eventually one office from the ground floor moves to the basement... or a child 😉
- Kitchen on the ground floor is a bit too narrow; we won’t be able to fit the freestanding side-by-side fridge.
- Window in the office /
- Windows on the east side (street side) are unfortunately not very symmetrical from the outside.
- You have to walk around the house to reach the carport; no direct access from the basement to the carport or garden. However, if the carport were on the north side, the house would shift too far to the south side. There is a large/tall 5-family house about 3m (10 feet) away on that side, so more setback there means more sun exposure.
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you had to give up something, which details or additions?
- Can give up: actually nothing 🙄 maybe the fireplace.
- Cannot give up: basement, laundry chute, min. 15m² (160 sq ft) in the children's rooms, children's bathroom, shower in guest WC
Why is the design the way it is?
Two years of planning have gone into this 😀
Started with our own sketches, then last year the first attempt with an architect whose designs we didn’t like, so we didn’t find common ground.
The plan from the architect of our preferred general contractor hit the mark much better on the second attempt.
We are basically quite satisfied; most of our ideas could be incorporated except the points mentioned above.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
How to get more space for the master bathroom upstairs? We just can’t find a solution without extending the whole house by about 20cm (8 inches).
Where else do you see room for optimization?
after a long time of reading and several planning rounds, we would like to get your opinions on our current planning status.
The plot just outside Hamburg is already secured but is very long and narrow (widest point 20m (65 feet)).
There is no local development plan, only a building envelope diagonally crossing the plot with a width of 20m (65 feet).
Due to the relatively high groundwater level from the marshy soil, the basement can only be dug about 1.5m (5 feet) deep, possibly only 1m (3 feet). This will be clarified this week when the soil report arrives.
At the start of our planning, we intended to have 1 office and 2 children's rooms; however, due to changes in our professional and personal circumstances, we now need to plan for 2 offices and actually 4 children's rooms...
Building Regulations / Restrictions
Plot size: approx. 1000m² (11,000 sq ft), width 16-20m (52-65 feet)
Slope: gently sloping, approx. 1m (3 feet)
Floor area ratio (FAR) / site coverage: no specification
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: yes, building envelope diagonally across the plot, 20m (65 feet) wide, otherwise usual 3m (10 feet) setback
Number of parking spaces: 2 (1.5 per housing unit)
Building height: max. 12m (39 feet)
Roof shape: no specification
Architectural style: no specification
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, building type: classic, townhouse
Roof type: mansard roof (very typical for this area)
Basement, floors: basement + ground floor + upper floor
Number of occupants, ages: 6 (two adults, 2 children + twins coming soon 😀)
Spaces on ground floor: living room, separate kitchen, 2 offices (both working from home, one also serving as a guest room), guest toilet, sufficient storage space is essential for 6 people
Spaces on upper floor: master bedroom, dressing room, master bath, children’s bathroom, minimum 3 children's bedrooms each at least 15m² (160 sq ft)
Offices: 2 due to parallel home office use
Number of guest stays per year: about once a month
Open or closed floor plan: closed
Conservative or modern construction: conservative / classic
Open kitchen, cooking island: closed kitchen without an island, but a freestanding side-by-side refrigerator would be great
Number of dining seats: 8-10
Fireplace: yes
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: yes
Garage, carport: yes, double carport
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Additional wishes / special features:
- Master bedroom may only face the garden
- Possibility to add a granny flat in the basement later
Style, roof form, building type: townhouse style with mansard roof. We like the mansard roof because it limits roof slope restrictions on the upper floor and visually reduces the height somewhat. Due to the basement partially above ground level, the house otherwise appears quite tall for 2.5 full stories.
Basement, floors: basement, ground floor, upper floor
House Design
Who designed the plan: custom design by the architect of the planned general contractor
Offer for the house (including painting, flooring, and pre-selection): approx. 850,000 EUR
What do you particularly like? Why?
The ground floor overall is good, open staircase to the hallway, double doors to the living room, kitchen can be opened to the living room by sliding door, we like the mansard roof as well.
Children's rooms are all about the same size.
Laundry chute.
What do you dislike? Why?
- The house is quite large, but some rooms still feel tight, especially upstairs
- Master bathroom is too small; we would like a 1.8m (6 feet) bathtub, washbasin with two sinks, and a 1.4m x 1m (4.6 feet x 3.3 feet) shower. A separate toilet is "nice to have" but could be integrated into the bathroom if that solves the problem.
- Dressing room is borderline narrow, but the bedroom cannot be significantly reduced.
- We would actually need another children's room. The idea now is that the younger children share a room at first until eventually one office from the ground floor moves to the basement... or a child 😉
- Kitchen on the ground floor is a bit too narrow; we won’t be able to fit the freestanding side-by-side fridge.
- Window in the office /
- Windows on the east side (street side) are unfortunately not very symmetrical from the outside.
- You have to walk around the house to reach the carport; no direct access from the basement to the carport or garden. However, if the carport were on the north side, the house would shift too far to the south side. There is a large/tall 5-family house about 3m (10 feet) away on that side, so more setback there means more sun exposure.
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you had to give up something, which details or additions?
- Can give up: actually nothing 🙄 maybe the fireplace.
- Cannot give up: basement, laundry chute, min. 15m² (160 sq ft) in the children's rooms, children's bathroom, shower in guest WC
Why is the design the way it is?
Two years of planning have gone into this 😀
Started with our own sketches, then last year the first attempt with an architect whose designs we didn’t like, so we didn’t find common ground.
The plan from the architect of our preferred general contractor hit the mark much better on the second attempt.
We are basically quite satisfied; most of our ideas could be incorporated except the points mentioned above.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
How to get more space for the master bathroom upstairs? We just can’t find a solution without extending the whole house by about 20cm (8 inches).
Where else do you see room for optimization?
Blue_guru schrieb:
The plot of land just outside Hamburg is already owned, but it is very long and narrow (widest point 20m (65.6 feet)).May I ask which gates you are referring to?B
Blue_guru7 Jun 2021 18:56South of the Elbe River, Hanseatic city of Buxtehude
I feel the house has a barn-like character and I wanted to paint the basement.
With 6 people, you definitely need it.
My girlfriend has 2 children’s bedrooms for 4 kids. The teenager has their own room, and the three younger children, aged 9, 4, and 1, share one room. The 9-year-old does not want to move out. This kind of arrangement can work as well.
The living room is only used by the children for playing.
I would include the basement in the plans.
Make sure to draw in all existing and desired furniture. The dining area on the ground floor is too narrow. For a 1 x 3 meter (3.3 x 10 feet) table, you need at least 2.6 m x 4.8 m (8.5 x 15.7 feet).
Upstairs, I would skip the separate toilet.
I would rearrange a bit upstairs. The master bedroom and child’s room 3 look awkward.
On the upper floor, plan four almost equally sized rooms.
That will create the children’s floor. A large family bathroom with a toilet plus one separate toilet.
On the ground floor, a guest room and a shower bathroom.
In the basement, a future parents’ suite with sleeping area, dressing room, and bathroom.
With 6 people, you definitely need it.
My girlfriend has 2 children’s bedrooms for 4 kids. The teenager has their own room, and the three younger children, aged 9, 4, and 1, share one room. The 9-year-old does not want to move out. This kind of arrangement can work as well.
The living room is only used by the children for playing.
I would include the basement in the plans.
Make sure to draw in all existing and desired furniture. The dining area on the ground floor is too narrow. For a 1 x 3 meter (3.3 x 10 feet) table, you need at least 2.6 m x 4.8 m (8.5 x 15.7 feet).
Upstairs, I would skip the separate toilet.
I would rearrange a bit upstairs. The master bedroom and child’s room 3 look awkward.
On the upper floor, plan four almost equally sized rooms.
That will create the children’s floor. A large family bathroom with a toilet plus one separate toilet.
On the ground floor, a guest room and a shower bathroom.
In the basement, a future parents’ suite with sleeping area, dressing room, and bathroom.
Blue_guru schrieb:
Some rooms still feel too tight, especially on the upper floor I don't think so. They all feel quite comfortable.
Blue_guru schrieb:
Walk-in closet borderline narrow, but the bedroom can’t be made any smaller I’m a strong critic of walk-in closets that are too narrow. This one is not too narrow. There’s even room for a mirror and a chair. Nice and spacious.
Blue_guru schrieb:
Master bathroom too small, what we want is a 1.8m (6 ft) bathtub, double sink vanity, and a 1.4m by 1m (4 ft 7 in by 3 ft 3 in) shower. I think it’s well done. If you want a separate toilet for two people, sure, that’s fine 🙂
Blue_guru schrieb:
Three children’s rooms at least 15 square meters (160 square feet) each They fit, yes. I was looking for a fourth one (congratulations on doubling the expectation).
Blue_guru schrieb:
Master bedroom only facing the garden Who says that?
Blue_guru schrieb:
Possibility to add a separate apartment in the basement later I don’t see that here. Who would live there? No private exit, windows only on your garden side, and one would always have to pass private rooms...
Blue_guru schrieb:
Actually, we still need one more children’s room. The idea is the kids share a room at first until eventually an office from the ground floor moves to the basement... or one kid 😉 Ah yes, good solution. Could you not plan a children’s floor upstairs right away and put the bedroom downstairs in the basement? Or is that too much like a cellar for you? You could add a terrace door with a ramp next to the terrace under the living room window...
Blue_guru schrieb:
Kitchen on the ground floor is a bit too narrow, we can’t fit the freestanding side-by-side fridge Have you tried swapping the kitchen with the study? Then rearranging the rest accordingly? The double door could then start near the stairs.
You could rotate the carport and access it from the northern corner of the plot.
I quite like the half-hip roof. The house looks good.
haydee schrieb:
The living room is only used by the children for playing. Of course, with four kids, the parents are ready to crash at the end of the day ;-)
ypg schrieb:
I like the clipped gable roof. Um, where do you see one?
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