ᐅ Are cracks in the plaster to be expected with monolithic wall construction without external thermal insulation composite systems (ETICS) / external wall insulation?

Created on: 18 May 2021 19:56
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Steffen_S
Hello everyone,

I am currently planning my first single-family home, a roughly 250m² (2,690 sq ft) bungalow for my family and me. By "planning," I mean that I am researching the available building materials, how houses are generally constructed, and so on.

Here is a rough 3D concept.


3D floor plan of an office building with conference room, seating area, and outdoor space.


My father is somewhat of a veteran in this field and has built several family single-family homes himself, acting as a kind of site manager or planner. He is an engineer; I work in IT. I do a lot of research, while he tends to stick to the motto "trust in proven methods." So we often have differing opinions. That’s the background 🙂

I recently came across Ytong because I like the idea of a monolithic exterior wall without many layers or unnecessary complexity. I am interested in the 425mm (16.7 inches) wall thickness.

I would like to have external venetian blinds on all windows and sliding doors and have seen that their installation can be done like this, for example:


Electric roller shutter with motor drive, guide rail, and visible slats on the window.


I assume there are finished, insulated boxes available for this purpose, like these here:


Elongated concrete component with building services module and metal carrying handles on top


and that you can then plaster over the joints with reinforcing mesh without breaking the building material, resulting in a smooth and clean surface.

My father says, “For heaven’s sake... get 365mm (14.4 inches) Poroton T7 or Ytong if you prefer, and install a slim 60mm (2.4 inches) external thermal insulation composite system (ETICS) over the masonry and shutter boxes. Otherwise, you’ll get thermal bridges at the boxes and the plaster will crack there over the years.”

He also worries a lot about integrating the 3.5-meter (11.5 feet) wide windows and sliding doors with the venetian blinds, how to incorporate the boxes into the masonry and lintels, etc. I think: this can’t be rocket science nowadays? You see it everywhere, it shouldn’t be so difficult, right?

I would like to trust his experience—he certainly has plenty—but I also believe that building materials and techniques can evolve. Since you occasionally read about monolithic construction and venetian blinds or roller shutter boxes aren’t uncommon, I wonder if everyone just accepts plaster cracks or if this is perhaps no longer an issue today?

Thank you very much!
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Steffen_S
18 May 2021 22:00
Bookstar schrieb:

Definitely not Poroton 365 T7. How does he come up with that?

Is there a reason for that?
We had talked about building materials before, and he found the perlite-filled brick because of your thermal insulation.

Regardless of which brick is chosen—whether Poroton or Ytong—the question about the advantages and disadvantages of solid wall construction without external thermal insulation (ETI) remains 🙂
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Steffen_S
18 May 2021 22:02
nordanney schrieb:

That you find skilled craftsmen. And that there is a suitable plan being followed. You don’t have to worry about anything. That’s what professionals are for—they work on your behalf.

I do believe that professionals exist. I actually thought I might find such people here who could possibly answer my specific question.

Are there, based on experience, any issues with monolithic construction (Ytong or Poroton) without external thermal insulation composite systems (ETICS / WDVS)? Especially in combination with roller shutter or venetian blind boxes?

Thanks
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nordanney
18 May 2021 22:08
Steffen_S schrieb:

Are there known issues with monolithic construction (Ytong or Poroton) without external thermal insulation composite systems (ETICS)? Especially in combination with roller shutter or Venetian blind boxes?
You have already received a very clear answer to this.
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Bookstar
18 May 2021 22:08
Steffen_S schrieb:

Is there a reason for that?
We had talked about building materials before, and he had found the perlite-filled block because of your thermal insulation.

Regardless of which block is used – whether Poroton or Ytong – the question about the advantages and disadvantages of monolithic construction without external thermal insulation remains. 🙂

Oh, so that is the filled one. No, then everything is fine; that block is absolutely excellent.
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Steffen_S
18 May 2021 22:16
nordanney schrieb:

You have already received a very specific answer.

Honestly, I don’t understand why you can’t or won’t give me a clear answer to a specific question. Nevertheless, thank you for your help at this point; I hope for more valuable contributions from others 🙂

Before this turns into pointless “internet forum chatter”: I am interested in concrete experiences, practical implementation, what to pay attention to technically or from a craftsmanship perspective, for example, how the construction should be designed, etc.

“Saying ‘if done properly, everything works’ or ‘professionals know how to do it, find some’” is not an answer to my question ;-)
Nida35a18 May 2021 22:37
We built with Poroton, a company that specializes exclusively in this and knows how to work with it.
At areas prone to cracking, mesh was embedded in the exterior plaster to prevent cracks.
Inside, it was recommended to cover all walls with painter’s fleece wallpaper, which helps to conceal cracks.

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