Hello everyone,
finally, we have reached an important step… the plot is signed for.
We want to build with an architect and already have some ideas about what we like and what we don’t.
We definitely want to give the architect the opportunity to apply their expertise regarding the floor plan… maybe they can convince us.
But if not, we are currently (almost) quite happy with this self-drawn floor plan.
A few key facts…
Plot size: 660 sqm (about 7100 sq ft), floor area ratio 0.4, no slope, approximately 26m x 25m (85 ft x 82 ft)
Longest building side allowed: max. 15m (about 49 ft)
L-shaped bungalow with covered terrace (southwest side)
We want to build with a basement. This should have windows with natural daylight behind the garage on the east side. There will be 2–3 living rooms down there (playroom, hobby room, later for the kids or grandparents if necessary).
The roof will not be converted into a living space — 20-22° (degrees) pitch, hip roof, for aesthetic reasons.
We know that a basement is more expensive than a second floor, etc. The budget is roughly 650,000–700,000 (currency).
Utility room, laundry room, sauna, etc. will all be located in the basement since there is enough space. 🙂
Now to the floor plan:
We like an open design with a large entrance area.
What we like about this floor plan:
Children’s area separated from parents
Connection from the garage with access to the storage room and basement
Access from kitchen and living room to the terrace possible
Master bedroom with direct view of the garden on the southeast side (in summer the shutters are closed anyway)
Children’s rooms with windows facing west, slightly southwest.
Open questions…
Are the children’s rooms too narrow at almost 3m (about 10 ft)?
Is the living room too narrow at almost 4.5m (about 15 ft)?
The L-shape at the terrace is about 3m (10 ft) deep — here we could possibly adjust a bit to enlarge the children’s rooms.
My wife doesn’t like that the kitchen is visible directly from the entrance area.
(I prefer the kitchen visibility over the living room couch). What do you think is better or worse?
The kitchen window is on the south side, possibly too much sun… maybe we should add an awning if needed.
I can’t fit a second toilet elsewhere without making the children’s rooms even smaller… so it will remain a guest toilet for the parents.
Is a door between the entrance area and the living area for a windbreak useful, or unnecessary? (We have underfloor heating.)
(Maybe a hidden interior door, but I’m unsure what happens if it gets damaged.)
The floor area ratio will be tight… 15m x 15m = 225 sqm (about 11,200 sq ft) + garage + driveway… we might need to reduce the width a bit.
660 sqm x 0.4 = 264 sqm (about 2,840 sq ft).
I have seen many floor plans here… wishes and practicality have to match somewhere.
I’m really curious about the experts’ opinions…
Is it rubbish or usable?
Thanks
finally, we have reached an important step… the plot is signed for.
We want to build with an architect and already have some ideas about what we like and what we don’t.
We definitely want to give the architect the opportunity to apply their expertise regarding the floor plan… maybe they can convince us.
But if not, we are currently (almost) quite happy with this self-drawn floor plan.
A few key facts…
Plot size: 660 sqm (about 7100 sq ft), floor area ratio 0.4, no slope, approximately 26m x 25m (85 ft x 82 ft)
Longest building side allowed: max. 15m (about 49 ft)
L-shaped bungalow with covered terrace (southwest side)
We want to build with a basement. This should have windows with natural daylight behind the garage on the east side. There will be 2–3 living rooms down there (playroom, hobby room, later for the kids or grandparents if necessary).
The roof will not be converted into a living space — 20-22° (degrees) pitch, hip roof, for aesthetic reasons.
We know that a basement is more expensive than a second floor, etc. The budget is roughly 650,000–700,000 (currency).
Utility room, laundry room, sauna, etc. will all be located in the basement since there is enough space. 🙂
Now to the floor plan:
We like an open design with a large entrance area.
What we like about this floor plan:
Children’s area separated from parents
Connection from the garage with access to the storage room and basement
Access from kitchen and living room to the terrace possible
Master bedroom with direct view of the garden on the southeast side (in summer the shutters are closed anyway)
Children’s rooms with windows facing west, slightly southwest.
Open questions…
Are the children’s rooms too narrow at almost 3m (about 10 ft)?
Is the living room too narrow at almost 4.5m (about 15 ft)?
The L-shape at the terrace is about 3m (10 ft) deep — here we could possibly adjust a bit to enlarge the children’s rooms.
My wife doesn’t like that the kitchen is visible directly from the entrance area.
(I prefer the kitchen visibility over the living room couch). What do you think is better or worse?
The kitchen window is on the south side, possibly too much sun… maybe we should add an awning if needed.
I can’t fit a second toilet elsewhere without making the children’s rooms even smaller… so it will remain a guest toilet for the parents.
Is a door between the entrance area and the living area for a windbreak useful, or unnecessary? (We have underfloor heating.)
(Maybe a hidden interior door, but I’m unsure what happens if it gets damaged.)
The floor area ratio will be tight… 15m x 15m = 225 sqm (about 11,200 sq ft) + garage + driveway… we might need to reduce the width a bit.
660 sqm x 0.4 = 264 sqm (about 2,840 sq ft).
I have seen many floor plans here… wishes and practicality have to match somewhere.
I’m really curious about the experts’ opinions…
Is it rubbish or usable?
Thanks
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Iotafreak16 Apr 2021 16:41ypg schrieb:
True, burying €250,000 is quite close 😎If it makes me happy, I would gladly bury the money... it's just money. Nothing that keeps me awake at night...
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Iotafreak16 Apr 2021 17:01Myrna_Loy schrieb:
I think the point is that an unused basement is easier to ignore than an empty attic? That’s how I understand the argument. Basically buried and out of sight. 🙂ExactlyI
Iotafreak16 Apr 2021 17:0911ant schrieb:
That seems to be the main issue: the original poster has fallen head over heels for the Weiss Vita show home. Unfortunately, its design matches their personal needs by only about thirty percent (which is why even I don’t recognize the “model” in their own design). Understandably, there is concern that an architect might place even more emphasis on the seventy percent of needs outside the overlap, which would result in the recognizable features, from the original poster’s perspective, shrinking below any measurable threshold—possibly leaving only the door handle as a remaining feature (Daffy Duck fans will know what I mean *LOL*).
Honestly, I see only a very minor difference behind the comma between a floor or a wing standing empty—simply because the homeowner is reluctant to build the house for a friend and prefers to build it for themselves, or because they want an enemy to live there until death or at least care level IV, just because of a symbolic resemblance to the Weiss Vita youth love. Yes, people grow and change, but that is only a frequent experience, not a law—you can also put all your energy into resisting that and, like Oskar Matzerath, choose not to grow any more. My dear late grandmother used to say in such cases that a person’s will is their paradise (ironically, she worked at Edeka).
Well, perhaps not in those exact words. But I do seem to recall that we repeatedly tried to advise against this obsession with “everything on one level at any cost.”Interesting way of thinking...
I’m building now... the rest doesn’t bother me...
Everyone can decide for themselves what they think is right. Maybe I’ll move to the sea in 20 years... maybe not... I’m building so that I can live there as comfortably as possible for as long as possible. If something changes, I’ll react; if not, I’m happy... almost everyone I know has now replaced their large house with a bungalow or apartment... kids gone, house too big... upper floors stand empty, or even have to be used as bedrooms because there’s no space on the ground floor. So,,, I can see what lies ahead when the kids move out... If you want to build 24 times, that’s your choice... I don’t... finding a suitable plot is becoming more and more difficult anyway... the point system will give you no chance to get a plot... you’re left with buying privately or tearing down an old building....
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Myrna_Loy16 Apr 2021 17:10Nobody wants to impose a roof on you that you don’t like. It just seems that you consider the children’s living comfort as secondary to a design ideal – which is a bit surprising. You banish the children to the entrance area, so they better always make sure to close the doors properly. Then you send them down to the basement to the technical rooms and the laundry area. 😉
It’s a bit like having a child seat in a Porsche 911. It’s possible, of course.
It’s a bit like having a child seat in a Porsche 911. It’s possible, of course.
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Iotafreak16 Apr 2021 17:10Myrna_Loy schrieb:
You can put everything on one level – but that’s not practical with the closed bungalow floor plan. If you want a master wing, a living area, and a children's wing, then you need a different layout – otherwise, you end up with absurdly large hallways or an atrium.I
Iotafreak16 Apr 2021 17:13Myrna_Loy schrieb:
No one wants to force you to have a roof that you don’t like. It just seems that you consider the children’s living comfort as secondary to a design ideal – which is surprising. You’re placing the children by the entrance, so they better always remember to close the doors properly. Then you send them down to the basement with the mechanical rooms and laundry area. 😉
It’s a bit like having a child seat in a Porsche 911. It’s possible, sure. Unfortunately, I lack the imagination to do it better... I’m not insisting on the design at all. The basement is an option if wanted; there is space available there...
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