ᐅ New Semi-Detached House – Is Investing an Extra $10,000 Worthwhile for a Smart Home?
Created on: 17 Jan 2021 17:11
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Giggz123
Hello everyone,
we are currently planning the construction of our half of a semi-detached house. Initially, I was considering a KNX solution for home automation, but the reality as homebuilders is catching up with us, and the budget is getting tighter. Due to the plot, we are tied to a construction company that handles all trades (including electrical) with their own staff. The contract is expected to be signed soon.
The construction company seems to have limited expertise regarding smart home systems, so I’m now considering how to best proceed.
At the moment, the plan is for conventional electrical work (about 8,000 EUR), plus additional services for almost 4,000 EUR net to install a LAN connection in every room and reach a total of 100 power outlets and 20 lighting points (there may still be some missing).
We still have about 10,000 EUR left, so the entire (smart) electrical installation can cost around 22,000 EUR. We have also planned 13 roller shutters / blinds, which — for now — will have conventional electrical control.
Requirements - Must Have:
Nice to Have:
Options:
1. Conventional wiring plus standalone radio solutions (this is what we currently have in the rental apartment: Somfy roller shutters, HUE lights, etc.), integrated into a common visualization platform (such as ioBroker and others)
2. Proprietary system, currently the favorite is probably Free@Home with central actuators, allowing a possible later switch to KNX if needed. Alternatively, Homematic Wired might be an option.
3a. KNX with the must-haves and preparation (cabling) for nice-to-haves / as much as possible
3b. KNX with must-haves, nice-to-haves via radio solutions / gateways, integrated into a common visualization (ioBroker and others)
I’ve read a lot about this but somehow keep going in circles...
Do you have any advice on how to best approach this now? Should I create a room schedule and request various offers for options 2 and 3? Should I look for a qualified system integrator / smart home expert who can offer both options 2 and 3? Or is this basically unrealistic with the given budget, and I should focus on option 1?
Although construction doesn’t start until summer, if I want to try to contract the electrical trade elsewhere, I only have about 4 weeks left.
I am not completely ruling out KNX and could also imagine doing some work myself. Has anyone used a solution where they hired a planner, had the control cabinet assembled and shipped, then had the construction company’s electrician install all the wiring, and finally configured everything themselves?
Many thanks in advance!
we are currently planning the construction of our half of a semi-detached house. Initially, I was considering a KNX solution for home automation, but the reality as homebuilders is catching up with us, and the budget is getting tighter. Due to the plot, we are tied to a construction company that handles all trades (including electrical) with their own staff. The contract is expected to be signed soon.
The construction company seems to have limited expertise regarding smart home systems, so I’m now considering how to best proceed.
At the moment, the plan is for conventional electrical work (about 8,000 EUR), plus additional services for almost 4,000 EUR net to install a LAN connection in every room and reach a total of 100 power outlets and 20 lighting points (there may still be some missing).
We still have about 10,000 EUR left, so the entire (smart) electrical installation can cost around 22,000 EUR. We have also planned 13 roller shutters / blinds, which — for now — will have conventional electrical control.
Requirements - Must Have:
- Lighting:
- Central control of lights (preferably all, if necessary by floor, room, or selected areas); partial dimming
- Shading:
- Central control of roller shutters / blinds with automated shading
- Power:
- Make approximately 10+ power outlets switchable
Nice to Have:
- Avoid residual current devices (RCDs) if justifiable via smart home (I do not intend to actively control heating)
- Connection to controlled residential ventilation system
- Integration of voice control
- Window contacts
- Visualization
- Presence detectors
- Sonos integration
- Intercom system integration (Doorbird, Busch Jäger Welcome)
- Alarm system functionality (via presence detectors / sensors, possibly also a proprietary system, e.g. Busch Secure@Home)
Options:
1. Conventional wiring plus standalone radio solutions (this is what we currently have in the rental apartment: Somfy roller shutters, HUE lights, etc.), integrated into a common visualization platform (such as ioBroker and others)
2. Proprietary system, currently the favorite is probably Free@Home with central actuators, allowing a possible later switch to KNX if needed. Alternatively, Homematic Wired might be an option.
3a. KNX with the must-haves and preparation (cabling) for nice-to-haves / as much as possible
3b. KNX with must-haves, nice-to-haves via radio solutions / gateways, integrated into a common visualization (ioBroker and others)
I’ve read a lot about this but somehow keep going in circles...
Do you have any advice on how to best approach this now? Should I create a room schedule and request various offers for options 2 and 3? Should I look for a qualified system integrator / smart home expert who can offer both options 2 and 3? Or is this basically unrealistic with the given budget, and I should focus on option 1?
Although construction doesn’t start until summer, if I want to try to contract the electrical trade elsewhere, I only have about 4 weeks left.
I am not completely ruling out KNX and could also imagine doing some work myself. Has anyone used a solution where they hired a planner, had the control cabinet assembled and shipped, then had the construction company’s electrician install all the wiring, and finally configured everything themselves?
Many thanks in advance!
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AllThumbs8 Apr 2021 14:02RE-1407 schrieb:
I am happy to answer any further questions. I find the list difficult to understand because it’s not entirely clear what is included in each item.
3 outdoor cameras = just the cables, or does this include the cameras?
31 sports = ceiling outlets only?
10 outdoor lights = wall outlets only?
Alarm system = ???
and so on.
What about the central components? Dimmers, LED controllers, etc.
AllThumbs schrieb:
I find the list difficult to understand, as it’s not entirely clear what is included in the items.
3 outdoor cameras = only the cables or including the cameras?
31 spots = ceiling outlets only?
10 outdoor lamps = wall outlets only?
Alarm system = ???
and so on.
What about the central components? Dimming actuators, LED controllers, etc. 3 outdoor cameras = cables and cameras
31 spots = including ceiling outlets and spotlights
10 outdoor lamps = including wall outlets without bulbs, which we will provide.
Including dimming actuators, Jung touch sensors, etc.
I didn’t want to list all the items here in detail.
The entire project will be delivered complete and fully functional, so on my part only
the outdoor lamps and the mailbox with the corresponding provision need to be supplied.
Mycraft schrieb:
Oh dear, another person with a preference for spotlights, or were you misadvised?
Barely any LAN ports, well, okay, that might work.
The main cost drivers are probably the GIRA TKS, the mentioned spotlights, and very likely the room controllers or JUNG devices themselves.
Everything can certainly be done a lot cheaper. But of course, it depends on the overall concept.
I also miss door/window contacts, weather station, etc. Should I install 50 lamps in the house, or is it now forbidden to use spotlights?
I see five LAN ports, and that at the most important locations – or should I even put one in the bathroom?
Door and window contacts, as well as the weather station, were deliberately left out.
RotorMotor schrieb:
So even a 17,000 price increase just for something smart.Considering that it’s not a full KNX system, that’s quite outrageous.A
AllThumbs8 Apr 2021 14:29RE-1407 schrieb:
The entire project will be handed over complete and fully functionalOkay, so a worry-free handover. The alarm system can of course account for any amount of that.Do you have no window and door contacts at all, or just some proprietary components from the alarm system?
AllThumbs schrieb:
ok, so a turnkey handover. The alarm system can of course account for any amount.
Do you have no window and door contacts at all, or just something proprietary from the alarm system?The alarm system only accounts for about 3.5k. It is supposed to work together with the occupancy sensors.
As soon as the system is armed and an unauthorized person enters the house
and is detected, the system should activate – at least that’s the plan.
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