Dear forum community,
The electrical subcontractor from my general contractor has now reached out, saying he would like to finally discuss the electrical planning on site (at the construction site). I know that normally it is recommended to plan this trade from the very beginning, but that was not possible with my general contractor and the subcontractor; they explicitly wanted to do it only once the shell is finished.
Now, I would like to tap into the forum’s knowledge and your experience for general tips regarding electrical planning.
First, the standard equipment from my general contractor:
[QUOTE=Scope of work from the general contractor]
You will receive the complete electrical installation according to VDE standards including
meter cabinet, distribution panel, equipotential bonding, circuit breakers, and residual-current devices in the building.
Standard switch program and sockets (Elso, Berker, Jung or Busch/Jaeger) — white. Connected load of the
house: 14.5 kW. Battery-powered smoke detectors will be installed in all required rooms.
For underfloor heating, all rooms will have room temperature sensors. CAT 7 network cabling consisting
of one RJ45 double socket in the living and bedrooms and a patch panel in the utility room.
Hallway
1 lighting point
1 two-way switch
1 double socket outlet
1 doorbell system with chime in the hallway
1 external lighting point
House connection room
1 lighting point
1 off switch
1 double socket outlet
1 connection for outdoor temperature sensor
1 socket for the washing machine
Kitchen
1 lighting point
1 off switch
4 double socket outlets
1 socket for the refrigerator
1 socket for the dishwasher
1 cooker connection outlet
1 socket for the extractor hood
Living room
2 lighting points
2 two-way switches
4 double socket outlets
1 antenna empty conduit
1 telephone empty conduit
1 lighting point for the terrace
Guest WC
1 lighting point
1 off switch
1 double socket outlet
Each additional room
1 lighting point
1 off switch
3 double socket outlets
Bathroom
2 lighting points
2 off switches
4 socket outlets
[/QUOTE]
Furthermore, it is clear from my side that I need deep flush-mounted boxes for the blinds and shutters. I plan to equip these with Shellys for centralized control (probably at a later stage).
Other thoughts we have already considered:
- We do not want spotlights
- If in doubt, rather one double socket outlet and a power strip than banks of quadruple outlets
- We have already purchased square and rectangular LED panels (a total of 7) which will provide basic lighting, but we have absolutely no idea about specialized lighting concepts. Indirect lighting is already a familiar term.
- We cannot afford professional lighting consultation.
- I am interested in automatic lighting control with motion/presence sensors. Is this easily retrofit-able in a conventional electrical installation? Can such systems be time-controlled? For example, in the hallway, the light turns on via motion sensor, but after 10 p.m. (22:00) only dimmed and after midnight (0:00) not at all? Additionally, overridable by a switch?
- My wife likes cold, very bright light, while I prefer cozy, warm light. The aforementioned LED panels are adjustable. Are there alternative options for this?
From your perspective, what are the most important things to consider? What practical solutions have you implemented beyond the standard equipment that you would not want to miss?
Anyone is welcome to make concrete proposals. My floor plans can be found here (please ignore the furniture shown):
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/lage-stadtvilla-oder-efh-auf-500-m2-rechteck.33505/post-409926
Thanks and best regards,
Tolentino
The electrical subcontractor from my general contractor has now reached out, saying he would like to finally discuss the electrical planning on site (at the construction site). I know that normally it is recommended to plan this trade from the very beginning, but that was not possible with my general contractor and the subcontractor; they explicitly wanted to do it only once the shell is finished.
Now, I would like to tap into the forum’s knowledge and your experience for general tips regarding electrical planning.
First, the standard equipment from my general contractor:
[QUOTE=Scope of work from the general contractor]
You will receive the complete electrical installation according to VDE standards including
meter cabinet, distribution panel, equipotential bonding, circuit breakers, and residual-current devices in the building.
Standard switch program and sockets (Elso, Berker, Jung or Busch/Jaeger) — white. Connected load of the
house: 14.5 kW. Battery-powered smoke detectors will be installed in all required rooms.
For underfloor heating, all rooms will have room temperature sensors. CAT 7 network cabling consisting
of one RJ45 double socket in the living and bedrooms and a patch panel in the utility room.
Hallway
1 lighting point
1 two-way switch
1 double socket outlet
1 doorbell system with chime in the hallway
1 external lighting point
House connection room
1 lighting point
1 off switch
1 double socket outlet
1 connection for outdoor temperature sensor
1 socket for the washing machine
Kitchen
1 lighting point
1 off switch
4 double socket outlets
1 socket for the refrigerator
1 socket for the dishwasher
1 cooker connection outlet
1 socket for the extractor hood
Living room
2 lighting points
2 two-way switches
4 double socket outlets
1 antenna empty conduit
1 telephone empty conduit
1 lighting point for the terrace
Guest WC
1 lighting point
1 off switch
1 double socket outlet
Each additional room
1 lighting point
1 off switch
3 double socket outlets
Bathroom
2 lighting points
2 off switches
4 socket outlets
[/QUOTE]
Furthermore, it is clear from my side that I need deep flush-mounted boxes for the blinds and shutters. I plan to equip these with Shellys for centralized control (probably at a later stage).
Other thoughts we have already considered:
- We do not want spotlights
- If in doubt, rather one double socket outlet and a power strip than banks of quadruple outlets
- We have already purchased square and rectangular LED panels (a total of 7) which will provide basic lighting, but we have absolutely no idea about specialized lighting concepts. Indirect lighting is already a familiar term.
- We cannot afford professional lighting consultation.
- I am interested in automatic lighting control with motion/presence sensors. Is this easily retrofit-able in a conventional electrical installation? Can such systems be time-controlled? For example, in the hallway, the light turns on via motion sensor, but after 10 p.m. (22:00) only dimmed and after midnight (0:00) not at all? Additionally, overridable by a switch?
- My wife likes cold, very bright light, while I prefer cozy, warm light. The aforementioned LED panels are adjustable. Are there alternative options for this?
From your perspective, what are the most important things to consider? What practical solutions have you implemented beyond the standard equipment that you would not want to miss?
Anyone is welcome to make concrete proposals. My floor plans can be found here (please ignore the furniture shown):
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/lage-stadtvilla-oder-efh-auf-500-m2-rechteck.33505/post-409926
Thanks and best regards,
Tolentino
Yaso2.0 schrieb:
For us, it was exactly the opposite. We received a blank floor plan and were supposed to draw everything in ourselves, then present the electrical planning during the meeting.It was the same for us, and I carefully marked all symbols for the individual installations—power outlets, double outlets, light switches, fixtures, etc. What I absolutely did not want were power outlets below the light switch by the door. I wanted them near the floor, at about 30cm (12 inches) or so. But this was not recognized in the drawings. As a result, I ended up with this unnecessary outlet below the light switch in every room 🤨 So that’s how it is now 😕@ypg .. I managed to do that 😉 ... I had a general agreement: sockets that I drew on the plans without a specific height indicated were installed at 30 cm (12 inches) height. For the other sockets, the height was specified next to each one. Incidentally, the electrician who carried out the work was also my longtime neighbor, who moved into the same apartment building as I did.
By the way, here—typical for the Erzgebirge region—we also have a window socket for the Schwibbogen (traditional decorative candle arch) in every window. We didn’t include these sockets separately in the plans. It was generally agreed that these would be installed on the left side of the window recess in all apartments, each connected to a separate circuit per apartment, which can be controlled by a timer in the fuse box.
By the way, here—typical for the Erzgebirge region—we also have a window socket for the Schwibbogen (traditional decorative candle arch) in every window. We didn’t include these sockets separately in the plans. It was generally agreed that these would be installed on the left side of the window recess in all apartments, each connected to a separate circuit per apartment, which can be controlled by a timer in the fuse box.
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pagoni20204 Apr 2021 08:26kbt09 schrieb:
By the way, here in the Ore Mountains region, it's typical to have a window socket in every window for the Schwibbogen (wooden candle-holder decoration). We didn’t even mark these sockets on the plans.Isn’t that great? In our current apartment, even the simplest things were forgotten, but that’s just how it is there 🤨 As someone who moved in from Saxony, I often come across such “obvious” details that I never would have thought of. Right now, about 70% of our electrical planning discussions revolve around how to connect the Herrnhut star. THAT is our problem, not the house’s structural engineering. At first, I occasionally tried in vain to bring in some treats from my home region of Baden-Württemberg, until it was made clear to me that Riesa noodles and Pulsnitz pastries, etc., have their own unique appeal... besides Bautzen mustard. When I first expressed interest in a gas fireplace, I was told in several places: We don’t really like that here in Saxony, so it’s not available 😀
ypg schrieb:
What I never-ever wanted were sockets located below the light switch by the door....I thought you had a back problem... Maybe it’s age-related, but why bend down to plug in the vacuum cleaner when you can do it standing up... says my wife
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motorradsilke4 Apr 2021 08:39pagoni2020 schrieb:
.....I thought you had back problems...
Maybe it’s an old-fashioned way, but why bend down to plug in the vacuum cleaner if you can do it standing up........says my wifeBecause the socket by the switch or at that height just looks awful. I prefer to bend down for that.
That’s why we also have an on-site planning session. We’re doing the rough planning for each room on the drawings now, otherwise I’ll forget half of it later. But the exact position of each switch and outlet will be marked on the walls on site.
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