Hello
I want to upgrade my home with a smart home system.
Which smart home system would be best suited for this?
The following points should be covered:
- If possible, everything should be controllable via one app
- It should be possible to create rules
- All solutions should allow either replacing or continuing to use the existing switches (surface-mounted or flush-mounted)
- Everything should also be manually operable without a phone and without internet
- Control electric roller shutters: for example, I want to set the shutters to close automatically at sunset (so the time adjusts automatically each day).
We have a sliding door that lifts and slides. If it is open or ajar but not fully closed, the shutters at the door should not close and lock me out 🙂
- Control underfloor heating: all rooms have underfloor heating with individual thermostats. I want to set the temperature once, for example living room 21°C (70°F) and bedroom 18°C (64°F), and the system should then regulate everything else to maintain the temperature.
Later, I want to add the following:
Light switches: I want to control all light switches via the app (on/off), but they should also remain manually operable.
Window sensors: to check if any window is still open or to notify me if it is raining and a window is open.
I will also install a Hörmann sectional garage door later, which I would like to integrate (but it wouldn’t be a big issue if it needs to run separately).
I want to upgrade my home with a smart home system.
Which smart home system would be best suited for this?
The following points should be covered:
- If possible, everything should be controllable via one app
- It should be possible to create rules
- All solutions should allow either replacing or continuing to use the existing switches (surface-mounted or flush-mounted)
- Everything should also be manually operable without a phone and without internet
- Control electric roller shutters: for example, I want to set the shutters to close automatically at sunset (so the time adjusts automatically each day).
We have a sliding door that lifts and slides. If it is open or ajar but not fully closed, the shutters at the door should not close and lock me out 🙂
- Control underfloor heating: all rooms have underfloor heating with individual thermostats. I want to set the temperature once, for example living room 21°C (70°F) and bedroom 18°C (64°F), and the system should then regulate everything else to maintain the temperature.
Later, I want to add the following:
Light switches: I want to control all light switches via the app (on/off), but they should also remain manually operable.
Window sensors: to check if any window is still open or to notify me if it is raining and a window is open.
I will also install a Hörmann sectional garage door later, which I would like to integrate (but it wouldn’t be a big issue if it needs to run separately).
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nordanney31 Mar 2021 11:19Pwnage619 schrieb:
Would Homematic IP Wired be an alternative to Busch free@home since both systems come from the same manufacturer?
We were expecting to spend a maximum of 5,000€ (about $5,400) on smart home, preferably less, but if cables need to be installed, that has to be done right away.Maybe you should first consider what smart home really means. In your initial post, you’re only talking about a few switchable roller shutters and light switches. For that, Shellys costing a total of 350€ (about $380) are sufficient. But smart home is much more than that (whether wireless or wired).
Only then can you choose a suitable system.
I also don’t think about which engine I want in a car if I don’t even know whether I need a van or a sports car.
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Pwnage61931 Mar 2021 11:36What do you understand by a smart home?
What functions does a smart home have for you?
Here’s what I thought of:
Heating
Shutters/roller blinds (that automatically adjust to the time of day and don’t lock me out in the garden if I’m still outside)
Possibly lighting
Maybe radio or music in the living room
What else could be implemented? (Everything should of course still be manually controllable, for example for my wife, guests, or children)
What functions does a smart home have for you?
Here’s what I thought of:
Heating
Shutters/roller blinds (that automatically adjust to the time of day and don’t lock me out in the garden if I’m still outside)
Possibly lighting
Maybe radio or music in the living room
What else could be implemented? (Everything should of course still be manually controllable, for example for my wife, guests, or children)
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nordanney31 Mar 2021 12:03Pwnage619 schrieb:
What else could be implemented?How about something like: "When the front door is unlocked and it’s already dark, lights x and y inside the house turn on automatically"? That’s smart. Pressing a button on your phone just to turn on a light is not really smart. You don’t even need to regulate the heating; you can exclude that in a new build.For me, smart means automation. Things you haven’t even thought about yet. You’re thinking about “How do I get the shutter switch mirrored on my phone?” But all devices can communicate with each other. You could program lighting scenes. Automation.
In this forum, we usually understand smart home as intelligent solutions like automatic shading based on weather and sun position. Or lights turning on or off automatically with occupancy sensors. When you arrive home, this happens; when you move from room A to B, that happens automatically. Basically, things that only become possible when you install not just switches but also many sensors. Occupancy sensors, door contacts, and so on.
You only mentioned window contacts among sensors. Retrofit systems for windows and doors all seem like a complete visual disaster to me. Are there any options that are visually unobtrusive?
If I understand you correctly, you basically just want to control some lights and roller shutters via an app on your smartphone—either manually or by scheduling. For this use case, just use Homematic.
You only mentioned window contacts among sensors. Retrofit systems for windows and doors all seem like a complete visual disaster to me. Are there any options that are visually unobtrusive?
If I understand you correctly, you basically just want to control some lights and roller shutters via an app on your smartphone—either manually or by scheduling. For this use case, just use Homematic.
bauenmk202031 Mar 2021 12:07Pwnage619 schrieb:
What do you understand by smart home?
What functions can a smart home have for you?
Don’t let yourself be confused. Communication between the interfaces of devices; sensors as perception of the environment is the way. Smart home is the goal.The more devices can communicate with each other, the more can be done or automated. Therefore, it makes sense for a new homeowner to ensure that later devices and sensors are connected to the home automation system. This is done either via bus wiring or wireless connection.
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Pwnage61931 Mar 2021 12:34We had also planned for such automations; I thought that was standard in the smart home sector.
I definitely want to create rules like, for example, not lowering the blinds while the garden door is open.
The idea with the front door is also a good one.
Are there, for example, any KNX window contacts that look good visually, maybe even invisible?
What would bother me is if they run on batteries. Ideally, window contacts running on EnOcean would be best (maintenance-free).
Motion sensors were not initially planned, but could they be retrofitted later?
I definitely want to create rules like, for example, not lowering the blinds while the garden door is open.
The idea with the front door is also a good one.
Are there, for example, any KNX window contacts that look good visually, maybe even invisible?
What would bother me is if they run on batteries. Ideally, window contacts running on EnOcean would be best (maintenance-free).
Motion sensors were not initially planned, but could they be retrofitted later?
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